I'll also vote old thinkpad. I run T430 with xubuntu as a side machine, and startup and shutdown is near instant. Compared with my macbook pro 2016 - which, al

I'll also vote old thinkpad. I run T430 with xubuntu as a side machine, and startup and shutdown is near instant. Compared with my macbook pro 2016 - which, although it throws something up on screen very quickly, then spends 30s before it's actually responsive - yes, apple cheats.