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I'd suggest reading the Steve Jobs biography by Walter Isaacson. Humans are complex creatures and a distilled one sentence summation rarely does us justice.

greendude29 4y ago
You can apply that logic to extol anyone. Jobs was a veritable maniac. Because he can write poetry with a crass corporate sign off doesn't add anything to him not being a shithead.
- jakebasile 4y ago
  I'm not extolling or making any other value judgement on anyone. I'm saying that humans are complex and the particular human that parent was expressing incredulity about has a detailed biography available that might be of interest.
na85 4y ago
- wiseowise 4y ago
  Damn? Not only all of that, but he also seemed to piss in your coffee this morning.
  - fennecfoxy 4y ago
    I think the severity of the response matches the unwarranted adulation usually heaped on Jobs. Some seem to almost think that he was some sort of minor deity.
  - dang 4y ago
    Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes everything worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- mcphage 4y ago
  > He had no redeeming qualities. He was just an asshole who got lucky and then got rich enough that everyone enabled him. He was an asshole, and also had a lot of redeeming qualities. They're not mutually exclusive. People aren't 2-dimensional, even if it's easier to pretend that they are.
- alehlopeh 4y ago
  Sent from my iPhone
- dang 4y ago
  Would you please stop posting flamewar comments and breaking the site guidelines? We ban accounts that do those things. We're not going to ban you for criticizing $celebrity, obviously, but please stop degrading the thread(s) like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: this has been a problem for quite a while, including re said $celebrity: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29164801 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29164801 (Nov 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25994615 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25994615 (Feb 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25515179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25515179 (Dec 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24501254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24501254 (Sept 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19510410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19510410 (March 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14933521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14933521 (Aug 2017) I don't want to ban you because you also post good comments. Please fix this so we don't have to.
  - na85 4y ago
    Please delete my account and all its comments.

greendude29 4y ago

You can apply that logic to extol anyone. Jobs was a veritable maniac. Because he can write poetry with a crass corporate sign off doesn't add anything to him not being a shithead.

jakebasile 4y ago
I'm not extolling or making any other value judgement on anyone. I'm saying that humans are complex and the particular human that parent was expressing incredulity about has a detailed biography available that might be of interest.

na85 4y ago

wiseowise 4y ago
Damn? Not only all of that, but he also seemed to piss in your coffee this morning.
- fennecfoxy 4y ago
  I think the severity of the response matches the unwarranted adulation usually heaped on Jobs. Some seem to almost think that he was some sort of minor deity.
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes everything worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
mcphage 4y ago
> He had no redeeming qualities. He was just an asshole who got lucky and then got rich enough that everyone enabled him. He was an asshole, and also had a lot of redeeming qualities. They're not mutually exclusive. People aren't 2-dimensional, even if it's easier to pretend that they are.
alehlopeh 4y ago
Sent from my iPhone
dang 4y ago
Would you please stop posting flamewar comments and breaking the site guidelines? We ban accounts that do those things. We're not going to ban you for criticizing $celebrity, obviously, but please stop degrading the thread(s) like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: this has been a problem for quite a while, including re said $celebrity: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29164801 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29164801 (Nov 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25994615 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25994615 (Feb 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25515179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25515179 (Dec 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24501254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24501254 (Sept 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19510410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19510410 (March 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14933521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14933521 (Aug 2017) I don't want to ban you because you also post good comments. Please fix this so we don't have to.
- na85 4y ago
  Please delete my account and all its comments.