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I think you're 85-90% right - but I wouldn't undersell the impact of Apple's proprietary W1 / H1 / H2 chips in their headphones either.

epolanski 4y ago
Nobody cares about those, not to the point of paying such premiums.
- tomphoolery 4y ago
  I mean, if there was another "commodity" processor one could just insert into their earbuds and write some awesome software, why hasn't anyone done that yet? If you could offer the same features as AirPods (and other Apple headphones) at half the cost, you'd make serious money. People might not care too much about those technical features of them, but I know they care about consistently good performance, and the AirPods have so far delivered on that promise. Making something that works just as well, but doesn't require you to be locked in to the Apple ecosystem, would absolutely change the game for the headphone market.
  - DubiousPusher 4y ago
    There are a lot of alternatives noted for their performance. Jabra, Bose, Sony all have earned high marks from reviewers.
    - msbarnett 4y ago
      I’ve got the extremely well regarded Sony WH-1000XM4s. Getting them to switch between devices is an absolute pain in the ass compared to Apple’s fairly seamless handoff. The custom Bluetooth processor seems to be letting Apple solve a lot of pain points that every other Bluetooth headphone just makes you live with.
      - dbxkcichhdfufu 4y ago
        "Upgrading" to my Sony's was painful. Beforehand I had some cheap Chinese brand that had the best bluetooth experience of my life. I could switch devices and the one I was using could connect up easy without having to do the whole disconnect from the other device first thing. I suspect on connect it was also issuing a disconnect to the previous sender as well because I never had an issue of a device reconnecting overtop. Multiple devices could be paired at the same time and it just latched on to whichever device tried to connect last. Even apple doesn't do well at this. Apple also has all kinds of weird bugs and sound issues. They are still nice for walking around though so I won't be ditching them anytime soon.
        ricardobayes 4y ago
        Diminishing returns are very real when it comes to BT headphones. The cutoff seems to be around 100 USD/EUR. If you care about sound quality, you are probably using AUX still. An alternative is the Fiio bluetooth/aux adapter that solves the bluetooth part but still has an acceptable sound quality.
        dbxkcichhdfufu 4y ago
        The ones I had were around 60usd and had good enough sound for me. The only problem I had with them was the headband was built for small heads. Broke in the same spot twice. After second I just took the refund and got some Sony's. Sound is pretty nice upgrade though even for someone like me that can't tell. Noise cancelling helps a lot over COVID too.
    - ramraj07 4y ago
      I have one of each within my family. Sound quality wise they’re better than AirPods but the usability and seamlessness sucks real bad. The good reviews are all like ones that rate the XPS as the best laptop because the reviewers think “a MacBook is not a laptop” and similarly the Jabra is the best Bluetooth headphone because to the reviewer the AirPod isn’t even competition. Which is true if you are on Android anyway.
  - vbezhenar 4y ago
    I own airpods max and so far I didn't notice anything special about them. They're just ordinary headphones. They have noise suppression, but it's hardly a unique feature. Head tracking is a gimmick and I disabled it almost immediately.
- dkonofalski 4y ago
  Nobody cares about the processors themselves but they very much care what they do. One of the biggest things I constantly hear about from others with AirPods is that they connect seamlessly to all their Apple devices and switch automatically as they use them. That's only possible because of these chips.
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- dev_tty01 4y ago
  I don't agree, but even if someone thinks they don't care they actually do since the custom silicon is no small part of why the multi-device stuff works so well. Not to mention the noise cancellation, transparency mode, etc. Sure, you buy because of the characteristics, but the characteristics are due to the custom silicon.
visarga 4y ago
Oh, so they make their own chips, they make both AirPods and MacBook, the OS, but then why do they fail to connect 20% of the time? I think the product should be capable of making sound 99.9%, not 80% of the time. AirPods might be the king of BT devices but it's a beggar in the house of wired.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  The house of wires was discontinued. They are lords of a rotten borough.
- gw99 4y ago
  I have to argue with mine once a day at least but that’s better than every fucking time I want to do anything with every other device I’ve owned. Also, I have no wires now other than a couple of chargers. It is freedom. Never do I have to untangle some EarPods from my keys five times a day.

epolanski 4y ago

Nobody cares about those, not to the point of paying such premiums.

tomphoolery 4y ago
I mean, if there was another "commodity" processor one could just insert into their earbuds and write some awesome software, why hasn't anyone done that yet? If you could offer the same features as AirPods (and other Apple headphones) at half the cost, you'd make serious money. People might not care too much about those technical features of them, but I know they care about consistently good performance, and the AirPods have so far delivered on that promise. Making something that works just as well, but doesn't require you to be locked in to the Apple ecosystem, would absolutely change the game for the headphone market.
- DubiousPusher 4y ago
  There are a lot of alternatives noted for their performance. Jabra, Bose, Sony all have earned high marks from reviewers.
  - msbarnett 4y ago
    I’ve got the extremely well regarded Sony WH-1000XM4s. Getting them to switch between devices is an absolute pain in the ass compared to Apple’s fairly seamless handoff. The custom Bluetooth processor seems to be letting Apple solve a lot of pain points that every other Bluetooth headphone just makes you live with.
    - dbxkcichhdfufu 4y ago
      "Upgrading" to my Sony's was painful. Beforehand I had some cheap Chinese brand that had the best bluetooth experience of my life. I could switch devices and the one I was using could connect up easy without having to do the whole disconnect from the other device first thing. I suspect on connect it was also issuing a disconnect to the previous sender as well because I never had an issue of a device reconnecting overtop. Multiple devices could be paired at the same time and it just latched on to whichever device tried to connect last. Even apple doesn't do well at this. Apple also has all kinds of weird bugs and sound issues. They are still nice for walking around though so I won't be ditching them anytime soon.
      - ricardobayes 4y ago
        Diminishing returns are very real when it comes to BT headphones. The cutoff seems to be around 100 USD/EUR. If you care about sound quality, you are probably using AUX still. An alternative is the Fiio bluetooth/aux adapter that solves the bluetooth part but still has an acceptable sound quality.
        dbxkcichhdfufu 4y ago
        The ones I had were around 60usd and had good enough sound for me. The only problem I had with them was the headband was built for small heads. Broke in the same spot twice. After second I just took the refund and got some Sony's. Sound is pretty nice upgrade though even for someone like me that can't tell. Noise cancelling helps a lot over COVID too.
  - ramraj07 4y ago
    I have one of each within my family. Sound quality wise they’re better than AirPods but the usability and seamlessness sucks real bad. The good reviews are all like ones that rate the XPS as the best laptop because the reviewers think “a MacBook is not a laptop” and similarly the Jabra is the best Bluetooth headphone because to the reviewer the AirPod isn’t even competition. Which is true if you are on Android anyway.
- vbezhenar 4y ago
  I own airpods max and so far I didn't notice anything special about them. They're just ordinary headphones. They have noise suppression, but it's hardly a unique feature. Head tracking is a gimmick and I disabled it almost immediately.
dkonofalski 4y ago
Nobody cares about the processors themselves but they very much care what they do. One of the biggest things I constantly hear about from others with AirPods is that they connect seamlessly to all their Apple devices and switch automatically as they use them. That's only possible because of these chips.
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dev_tty01 4y ago
I don't agree, but even if someone thinks they don't care they actually do since the custom silicon is no small part of why the multi-device stuff works so well. Not to mention the noise cancellation, transparency mode, etc. Sure, you buy because of the characteristics, but the characteristics are due to the custom silicon.

visarga 4y ago

Oh, so they make their own chips, they make both AirPods and MacBook, the OS, but then why do they fail to connect 20% of the time? I think the product should be capable of making sound 99.9%, not 80% of the time. AirPods might be the king of BT devices but it's a beggar in the house of wired.

lostlogin 4y ago
The house of wires was discontinued. They are lords of a rotten borough.
gw99 4y ago
I have to argue with mine once a day at least but that’s better than every fucking time I want to do anything with every other device I’ve owned. Also, I have no wires now other than a couple of chargers. It is freedom. Never do I have to untangle some EarPods from my keys five times a day.