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Good to know they use computational algorithms to perform ANC! What would we do without the innovators at Apple… In other news, still no support for lossless a

Good to know they use computational algorithms to perform ANC! What would we do without the innovators at Apple… In other news, still no support for lossless audio, and the charging port is still Lightning rather than USB-C. Seems like a good time to pick up the 1st gen Pros on discount

CharlesW 4y ago
> In other news, still no support for lossless audio… A̶i̶r̶P̶o̶d̶s̶ ̶P̶r̶o̶ ̶2̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶ ̶l̶o̶s̶s̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶a̶u̶d̶i̶o̶.̶ [see update below] https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/09/07/new-airpods-pro-with-lossless-more-battery-life-debut https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/09/07/new-airpods-pro-w...
- crazygringo 4y ago
  There are a couple of articles from the past hour that mention the term, but zero details and zero about it on Apple's website. I'm suspecting the journalists might be wrong? But I'd love to be proven wrong.
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    > I'm suspecting the journalists might be wrong? I believe you're right. Although the URL still includes "lossless", the claim was just removed from the article itself.
sfvegandude 4y ago
You don’t need lossless audio. Seriously. AAC is transparent in all the conditions you’d use these AirPods in. Lossless is a total gimmick and shame on Apple for ever enabling that 24bit nonsense. You don’t have golden ears. You aren’t listening closely while walking around town. Noise cancellation removes some of the frequencies. Lossless would drain battery for literally no gain in quality. Edit: as others have noted, these do feature the ability to receive lossless audio. You should disable it.
- ryeights 4y ago
  Ctrl-F “lossless”, “24”, “ALAC” on the tech specs page. No results. I am no audiophile, and I don’t really care about lossless audio one way or the other, but it seems deceptive to plaster “Apple Lossless” all over the Apple Music app when no Apple headphones can play lossless audio. All the marketing talk about the audio improvements in the H2 chip seems designed to obscure this fact, and to compensate for the fact that the AirPods Pro 2 are technically inferior to other Bluetooth headphones that support lossless playback.
  - initplus 4y ago
    Judging a headphone by specific codec support just doesn't make sense. Support for acoustically transparent codecs is good enough. Nobody has every demonstrated an ability to reliably distinguish high bitrate mp3 or AAC from lossless. There are still benefits to lossless from a preservation perspective, but for actually listening to music it really doesn't matter.
    - nicce 4y ago
      And the main problem is in Bluetooth protocol. It barely handless lossless data even in non-BLE mode. Which drains the battery.
  - sfvegandude 4y ago
    I agree it's totally deceptive, and unbecoming of Apple. And to correct my earlier statement, Apple makes no claim that these support lossless. Which means, basically, you're stuck with their $9 DAC if you want lossless (though that little thing is surprisingly good).

CharlesW 4y ago

> In other news, still no support for lossless audio… A̶i̶r̶P̶o̶d̶s̶ ̶P̶r̶o̶ ̶2̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶ ̶l̶o̶s̶s̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶a̶u̶d̶i̶o̶.̶ [see update below] https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/09/07/new-airpods-pro-with-lossless-more-battery-life-debut https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/09/07/new-airpods-pro-w...

crazygringo 4y ago
There are a couple of articles from the past hour that mention the term, but zero details and zero about it on Apple's website. I'm suspecting the journalists might be wrong? But I'd love to be proven wrong.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  > I'm suspecting the journalists might be wrong? I believe you're right. Although the URL still includes "lossless", the claim was just removed from the article itself.

sfvegandude 4y ago

You don’t need lossless audio. Seriously. AAC is transparent in all the conditions you’d use these AirPods in. Lossless is a total gimmick and shame on Apple for ever enabling that 24bit nonsense. You don’t have golden ears. You aren’t listening closely while walking around town. Noise cancellation removes some of the frequencies. Lossless would drain battery for literally no gain in quality. Edit: as others have noted, these do feature the ability to receive lossless audio. You should disable it.

ryeights 4y ago
Ctrl-F “lossless”, “24”, “ALAC” on the tech specs page. No results. I am no audiophile, and I don’t really care about lossless audio one way or the other, but it seems deceptive to plaster “Apple Lossless” all over the Apple Music app when no Apple headphones can play lossless audio. All the marketing talk about the audio improvements in the H2 chip seems designed to obscure this fact, and to compensate for the fact that the AirPods Pro 2 are technically inferior to other Bluetooth headphones that support lossless playback.
- initplus 4y ago
  Judging a headphone by specific codec support just doesn't make sense. Support for acoustically transparent codecs is good enough. Nobody has every demonstrated an ability to reliably distinguish high bitrate mp3 or AAC from lossless. There are still benefits to lossless from a preservation perspective, but for actually listening to music it really doesn't matter.
  - nicce 4y ago
    And the main problem is in Bluetooth protocol. It barely handless lossless data even in non-BLE mode. Which drains the battery.
- sfvegandude 4y ago
  I agree it's totally deceptive, and unbecoming of Apple. And to correct my earlier statement, Apple makes no claim that these support lossless. Which means, basically, you're stuck with their $9 DAC if you want lossless (though that little thing is surprisingly good).