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Your children already pay sales taxes when they buy things... The FairTax is just a version of a GST.

kelseyfrog 4y ago
Right, but my kids don't fund the federal government solely through a federal sales tax which is what this proposes. It just doesn't sound fair that they should be taxed to this degree without representation - it violates the social contract.
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- SoftTalker 4y ago
  Non-citizen adults don't have a vote and they all have to pay taxes. You're not suggesting that all resident aliens should not pay taxes?
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    Would you do me a favor and summarize what you think I said? I feel like what I'm writing and what you're reading are two different things.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
      I think you said that taxation on your children without their (democratic) representation (via voting) was not a good thing and broke the social contract. SoftTalker then noted that we tax resident aliens but do not allow them to vote, presumably seeing some similarity in terms its impact on the (implicit) social contract. What do you see as the difference?
      - kelseyfrog 4y ago
        Thank you. A lot of times people end up talking Past each other in these sorts of threads. Appreciate it! Yes. That is a contradiction. Categorically, it's not fair to expect someone to pay for things without letting them have some degree of decision making in how the money is spent. Otherwise it's simply robbery.
        PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
        Yet that is precisely how our system works vis-a-vis resident aliens ("green card holders"). They have all the responsibilities of citizens but no right to vote.
        kelseyfrog 4y ago
        Sounds messed up. I'd really hate to get into a dialog where this sort of stuff is justified because it's just running rampant and it's just easier to give up and convince oneself that it's actually ok because the alternative is simply too difficult to imagine.
        PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
        So would you propose either 1. not taxing people who live and work here but are not citizens? OR 2. allowing people who are not citizens to vote? Unless we do one of these, I'm fairly sure the situation you describe as "messed up" will continue to exist.
        kelseyfrog 4y ago
        All I'm asking for is simple consistency.
        PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
        so which one do you pick?

Right, but my kids don't fund the federal government solely through a federal sales tax which is what this proposes. It just doesn't sound fair that they should be taxed to this degree without representation - it violates the social contract.

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SoftTalker 4y ago
Non-citizen adults don't have a vote and they all have to pay taxes. You're not suggesting that all resident aliens should not pay taxes?
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  Would you do me a favor and summarize what you think I said? I feel like what I'm writing and what you're reading are two different things.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    I think you said that taxation on your children without their (democratic) representation (via voting) was not a good thing and broke the social contract. SoftTalker then noted that we tax resident aliens but do not allow them to vote, presumably seeing some similarity in terms its impact on the (implicit) social contract. What do you see as the difference?
    - kelseyfrog 4y ago
      Thank you. A lot of times people end up talking Past each other in these sorts of threads. Appreciate it! Yes. That is a contradiction. Categorically, it's not fair to expect someone to pay for things without letting them have some degree of decision making in how the money is spent. Otherwise it's simply robbery.
      - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
        Yet that is precisely how our system works vis-a-vis resident aliens ("green card holders"). They have all the responsibilities of citizens but no right to vote.
        kelseyfrog 4y ago
        Sounds messed up. I'd really hate to get into a dialog where this sort of stuff is justified because it's just running rampant and it's just easier to give up and convince oneself that it's actually ok because the alternative is simply too difficult to imagine.
        PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
        So would you propose either 1. not taxing people who live and work here but are not citizens? OR 2. allowing people who are not citizens to vote? Unless we do one of these, I'm fairly sure the situation you describe as "messed up" will continue to exist.
        kelseyfrog 4y ago
        All I'm asking for is simple consistency.
        PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
        so which one do you pick?