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Their analysis, which is typical of someone quoting Chomsky, also pretends as if Iran would be a secular democracy today if the US/UK merely had not meddled. Th
by googlryas 4y ago
Their analysis, which is typical of someone quoting Chomsky, also pretends as if Iran would be a secular democracy today if the US/UK merely had not meddled. The fact is, the mullahs and the ultra-religious were already on the rise in Iran since at least the 1920s, and while they initially supported Mossadegh, by the time of the coup, they were actively moving against him. It seems likely they would have overthrown whoever was in their way - whether it was Mossadegh or the Shah.
- 22SAS 4y agoAfghanistan in the 70's is proof of that. When the cities started modernizing, including education more women and giving them more freedoms, the people in the countryside and the clerics got pissed off and deemed it un-Islamic. Shah or not, Iran would have had a revolution either way.
- MichaelCollins 4y agoIt's a counterfactual, there is no "proof" of it at all.
- 22SAS 4y agoSure sure. You keep believing that they'd be a great example of a functional democracy.
- MichaelCollins 4y agoIf the coup was an inevitability then the CIA and MI6 got their hands dirty for nothing. Personally, I'll err on the side of giving them credit for the things they did, rather than absolving them of blame because of the way things might have gone.
- triceratops 4y agoWe have no way to know for sure. Turkey managed to keep the religious hardliners out of power for nearly a century. Even now the people in power there are nowhere near the same as Iranian leadership. And there's still a chance Turkish democracy may recover.
- yakak 4y agoIf anticommunist religious fundamentalists were an inevitable force of nature then the US and UK over paid.
- tveita 4y agoWell let's have a quick look at https://uis.unesco.org/en/country/af https://uis.unesco.org/en/country/af vs. https://uis.unesco.org/en/country/ir https://uis.unesco.org/en/country/ir. Afghanistan: Literacy rate 15-24 (2015): m 80.4%, f 29% Tertiary education rate (2020): m 15.1%, f 5.8% Iran: Literacy rate 15-24 (2016): m 98.3%, f 97.9% Tertiary education rate (2020): m 59.2%, f 57.2% I think your argument is completely invalid.
- 22SAS 4y agoThe point was about being a modern democracy and not just literacy rates. You're cherry-picking to prove your point. Afghan literacy rates are abysmal because the Taliban follows a much more stricter interpretation of Islam than Iran does. Also, Iran wasn't invaded by two superpowers within the span of two decades like Afghanistan was.
- xwolfi 4y agoOh glad the fact the US decides of other countries government isnt at all a factor then !