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Forget Chomsky, he claimed Pol Pot was wrongfully accused for no reason other than because America said otherwise. The US Government has admitted their role in

Forget Chomsky, he claimed Pol Pot was wrongfully accused for no reason other than because America said otherwise. The US Government has admitted their role in the 1953 Iranian coup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#Release_of_U.S._government_records_and_official_acknowledgement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

MockObject 4y ago
We shouldn't listen to anything Chomsky says, because of a very bad take of his nearly fifty years ago? Or maybe we should simply treat what he says with skepticism, as we should everyone else, as well.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  We shouldn't cite Chomsky for historical claim about what the US government did or didn't do during the Cold War when there are much better sources. Citing Chomsky in a conversation like this is poisoning the well. Just look at the responses his comment got, like the one I responded to above; people doubting that America overthrew Iran's democratic government because the top level comment cited Chomsky.
  - MockObject 4y ago
    People should not use the source as an argument for or against a statement. This is illogical fallacious thinking that should be discouraged. Instead, take claims on their own merits.
colinmhayes 4y ago
> The US Government has admitted their role in the 1953 Iranian coup Mistakes were made. That doesn't mean the world should accept Iran's war mongering.
- pastacacioepepe 4y ago
  It doesn't mean the world should accept the US bullism either. And whoever makes mistakes has to pay for them.
  - colinmhayes 4y ago
    > whoever makes mistakes has to pay for them. No they don't. If no one makes them pay for it, they don't have to. Obviously Iran and the west have different moral and philosophical frameworks, but since none of that is objective the only thing that matters is who is strong enough to enforce theirs.
    - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
      I'm fine with it if we quit any pretense of western moral superiority.

MockObject 4y ago

We shouldn't listen to anything Chomsky says, because of a very bad take of his nearly fifty years ago? Or maybe we should simply treat what he says with skepticism, as we should everyone else, as well.

MichaelCollins 4y ago
We shouldn't cite Chomsky for historical claim about what the US government did or didn't do during the Cold War when there are much better sources. Citing Chomsky in a conversation like this is poisoning the well. Just look at the responses his comment got, like the one I responded to above; people doubting that America overthrew Iran's democratic government because the top level comment cited Chomsky.
- MockObject 4y ago
  People should not use the source as an argument for or against a statement. This is illogical fallacious thinking that should be discouraged. Instead, take claims on their own merits.

colinmhayes 4y ago

> The US Government has admitted their role in the 1953 Iranian coup Mistakes were made. That doesn't mean the world should accept Iran's war mongering.

pastacacioepepe 4y ago
It doesn't mean the world should accept the US bullism either. And whoever makes mistakes has to pay for them.
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  > whoever makes mistakes has to pay for them. No they don't. If no one makes them pay for it, they don't have to. Obviously Iran and the west have different moral and philosophical frameworks, but since none of that is objective the only thing that matters is who is strong enough to enforce theirs.
  - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
    I'm fine with it if we quit any pretense of western moral superiority.