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No, it seems like they are calling out repeated abuse by a YC company. From what I can see, it's unlikely these are false accusations as your down-thread reply

No, it seems like they are calling out repeated abuse by a YC company. From what I can see, it's unlikely these are false accusations as your down-thread reply implies.

verdverm 4y ago
how is this "abuse" and not the same as any other company using your email for marketing?
- eloisius 4y ago
  If those other companies don't have a prior business relationship with you, then they are also committing abuse. In fact, it has been illegal in the US for almost 20 years [1], even if it is difficult to enforce. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003
  - verdverm 4y ago
    > The CAN-SPAM Act is occasionally referred to by critics as the "You-Can-Spam" Act because the bill fails to prohibit many types of e-mail spam and preempts some state laws that would otherwise have provided victims with practical means of redress. In particular, it does not require e-mailers to get permission before they send marketing messages. Maybe read the sources you try to use to back up your flawed argument?
    - eloisius 4y ago
      > A visible and operable unsubscribe mechanism is present in all emails. > Consumer opt-out requests are honored within 10 business days. They didn't include an unsubscribe, and if we take my plain English request to stop sending me emails as an opt-out request, then they also failed to honor my request within 10 days. However, my point isn't to say I have a legal case against Runops for spamming me. Just that their founder is behaving unethically by sending me unsolicited emails (even after I asked him to stop) about his company for no reason other than that I have worked on open source software before. So far, your arguments have been - Why don't you (and however many thousands of other people he spammed) just block him? - This is a false accusation, e.i. there's no reason to believe you received these emails - It's not spam anyway I have to wonder. Do you scrape developers' emails out of GitHub and send them marketing emails to promote your startup?
      - verdverm 4y ago
- bdcravens 4y ago
  The first email was marketing. After you ask to be removed, it's abuse. > After this email I replied, asking Andrios to stop. > Do not ever email me again.

No, it seems like they are calling out repeated abuse by a YC company. From what I can see, it's unlikely these are false accusations as your down-thread reply implies.

verdverm 4y ago

how is this "abuse" and not the same as any other company using your email for marketing?

eloisius 4y ago
If those other companies don't have a prior business relationship with you, then they are also committing abuse. In fact, it has been illegal in the US for almost 20 years [1], even if it is difficult to enforce. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003
- verdverm 4y ago
  > The CAN-SPAM Act is occasionally referred to by critics as the "You-Can-Spam" Act because the bill fails to prohibit many types of e-mail spam and preempts some state laws that would otherwise have provided victims with practical means of redress. In particular, it does not require e-mailers to get permission before they send marketing messages. Maybe read the sources you try to use to back up your flawed argument?
  - eloisius 4y ago
    > A visible and operable unsubscribe mechanism is present in all emails. > Consumer opt-out requests are honored within 10 business days. They didn't include an unsubscribe, and if we take my plain English request to stop sending me emails as an opt-out request, then they also failed to honor my request within 10 days. However, my point isn't to say I have a legal case against Runops for spamming me. Just that their founder is behaving unethically by sending me unsolicited emails (even after I asked him to stop) about his company for no reason other than that I have worked on open source software before. So far, your arguments have been - Why don't you (and however many thousands of other people he spammed) just block him? - This is a false accusation, e.i. there's no reason to believe you received these emails - It's not spam anyway I have to wonder. Do you scrape developers' emails out of GitHub and send them marketing emails to promote your startup?
    - verdverm 4y ago
bdcravens 4y ago
The first email was marketing. After you ask to be removed, it's abuse. > After this email I replied, asking Andrios to stop. > Do not ever email me again.