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Brave Integration Deepens Support for Unstoppable Domains
- hardnose 4y agoThe name says "unstoppable", but the fees paid to a centralized authority tell me that these domains are, in fact, quite stoppable. [EDIT - strike the incorrect "yearly" from the "fees paid" statement]
- hirundo 4y agoSecond paragraph: > Unstoppable domains are yours for life with no renewal fees, eliminating the risk of losing a domain because you forget to renew or because the registrar takes it away. Is this not correct?
- hardnose 4y agoMy bad! The fees are apparently only paid once. However, since a central authority acts as a gatekeeper into that decentralized system, the same criticism still applies. I updated my original post, thanks for pointing that out.
- schoen 4y agoThe good thing is that you would never start using a domain that you didn't manage to acquire permanent ownership of. You wouldn't tell people to try to contact you via that domain. From a marketing point of view, this means that effort you spend on publicizing that domain and getting people to remember or recognize it wouldn't be wasted by having someone else take the domain away. From a security point of view, this means that people who are expecting to use your domain to reach you and your service can't be fooled into reaching someone else by having the domain reassigned to someone else. There are also security downsides around squatting and typosquatting; if some people explicitly or implicitly assume that domain ownership follows trademark ownership, it will be easier for someone to impersonate a famous brand or site, with greatly reduced recourse for the famous entity.
- IanCal 4y agoAre they a gatekeeper? Do they even have the ability to stop someone registering something?
- deepstack 4y agoand also > Now, we’re deepening our integration beyond .crypto to include more top-level domains – including .nft, .x, .wallet, .bitcoin, .blockchain, and .dao. Hmm, for something to claim to be Unstoppable Domains, why not include .onion as well, seems like that is more an unstoppable domain than what Brave is offering. Any comments on that Brave?
- smegsicle 4y agodon't they already have tor integration built-in? what's there to comment on?
- spijdar 4y agoCorrect, some information is available here: https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018121491-What-is-a-Private-Window-with-Tor-Connectivity- https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018121491-Wha... It doesn't explicitly mention onion addresses, but I don't see any indication it's not supported. (Tor is also not supported on the Android or iOS versions of Brave)
- somenameforme 4y agoTo be clear on one thing, the entire point of decentralization is that while Unstoppable is 'distributing' these domains, once distributed they no longer own them and can in no way whatsoever do anything with them, even if they wanted to regardless of the consequences. Decentralization in the web basically turns many "digital products" into something closer to their physical analog, in terms of ownership. What I mean there is that if you buy a Widget from the Widget Mart, Widget Mart no longer has any ability to impact that Widget in any way whatsoever. It's the same with these domains. You buy it, it's yours. Somebody can only take it away from you in the same ways that they might take away your Widget.
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- CharlesW 4y agoI'm not a grifter pushing Web3 or NFTs, or a sucker who's in the market for either, so I guess I'm not the target market for Brave. But honestly, what is the strategy here?
- dmje 4y agoHere, specifically, I don't know. But in general I like Brave. It's Chrome but less of the GBollocks.
- smt88 4y agoHow is it better than Firefox + uBlock Origin?
- guywithahat 4y agoIt uses chromium and has a few other nuanced privacy features under the hood (for example it doesn't tell websites it's a brave browser, it tells them it's standard chromium)
- bzxcvbn 4y agoOf course, telling websites that you're chrome while acting slightly differently than chrome is a surefire way of getting fingerprinted and identified as a brave user.
- acheron 4y ago> It uses chromium He asked “how is it better”.
- guywithahat 4y agoI know we like to complain that everyone uses the same web engine (and I agree it's not great, Google may not have killed off WebTorrent if it wasn't being used by YouTube competitors like BitChute) but web developers prioritize the chrome engine when beta/bug testing and it's faster than gecko. Plus Mozilla really isn't the same as they used to be, they're too corrupt and political now
- mmastrac 4y agoTech seems to be dividing into a "web3" camp and everyone else. I don't run in web3 circles, so all of this stuff just seems like a big, continuing grift. I still remember my feelings after seeing the Matt Damon ad. Really sad to see so much energy put into this space. Out of all the web3 use cases, maybe 5% at the most are truly useful to have on the blockchain, while the rest are just databases wearing blockchain clothing. The really useful cases probably aren't as valuable as selling a landgrab, however.
- suoduandao2 4y agoDo you see the underlying desire for Web3 (true democracy) being served anywhere else? There is certainly an eternal September problem in the space, and unfortunately many incentives to fleece the freshmen, but do you know of an alternative for those of us who believe in the ideals?
- mmastrac 4y ago> true democracy I don't see that at all. What I see are a bunch of predatory projects trying to make a bunch of money before the music stops.
- suoduandao2 4y agoWhether you think it's an insincere sales tactic or not is immaterial to my question, which was, is anyone else trying the same sales tactic? If a particular set of ideals are being used in marketing for only one space, that space is going to attract people who care about those ideals. Currently I see those people flocking to Web3, if there's an alternative I'd be interested to hear about it.
- mmastrac 4y ago> anyone else trying the same sales tactic? Amway, Avon, and door-to-door knife sales were three that I recall.
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- annoyingnoob 4y agoI don't trust Brave. Brave makes statements like this: >a secure and privacy-centric browser that allows you to explore the Internet without being tracked But you can find info on Brave's in-browser analytics: https://brave.com/privacy-preserving-product-analytics-p3a/ https://brave.com/privacy-preserving-product-analytics-p3a/ And you can find out how the Brave browser itself tracks the ads it shows you, while providing aggregated info to Brave's advertising engine: https://brave.com/intro-to-brave-ads/ https://brave.com/intro-to-brave-ads/ Brave appears to have simply replaced other tracking with itself, even if they claim to use aggregation to provide anonymity. To be clear, the Brave browser tracks you in multiple ways, claiming to do this in a privacy preserving way. If you are not into crypto, and buying into Web3, then I have no idea why you'd use Brave.
- somenameforme 4y agoBrave not only shows 0 ads to you, but also blocks all ads, unless you actively opt-in to a system they have where you're paid 70% of the revenue gain from the ad in the form of a token. I do not, and will not ever opt in. The browser itself is also fully open source and you're free to verify that they're sending exactly and only what they say they're sending. You can also disable what limited analytics that they do use if you'd prefer them not see hyper-sensitive information like a bucketed grouping (1, 2-5, 6-10, 11-50, 51+) of how many tabs you have open.
- annoyingnoob 4y ago> fully open source and you're free to verify How did that work out for Log4j? Is trust but verify really trust at all?
- ghostwreck 4y agoVery excited for more people working on identity and ownership. Everyone calls web3 a grift because the stack is too young to see the truly useful applications, so all we've seen are some scammy NFTs and coin drops. We're at web browser state of 1993 where the core pieces have just launched but nothing has been proven. It's actually very hard to develop a real app in smart contracts. We're missing the ability to store private data. Tooling is highly lacking for anything beyond deploying a simple 100 line NFT contract. As soon as these problems are solved, we'll start to see some traditional applications rebuilt in a way that gives users ownership of their own data. That's the goal of web3 to me, not specifically the exact implementation of whether we're on a blockchain or doing peer to peer file storage. Web3 means I have all the rights to my data, and ideally, applications can live on beyond their creators.
- nawgz 4y ago> Everyone calls web3 a grift because the stack is too young I don't think that's true. I think people call it a grift because "identity" and "ownership" are not topics that require whatever "Web3" constitutes to be implemented, and the idea that we require web3 to allow a user to "have all the rights to [their] data" is equally facetious.
- mmastrac 4y ago> We're missing the ability to store private data. This is solved off-blockchain. > Tooling is highly lacking for anything beyond deploying a simple 100 line NFT contract. This is solved off-blockchain. > we'll start to see some traditional applications rebuilt in a way that gives users ownership of their own data. This is solved off-cloud, or if you pay for storage. I can download my photos and documents locally from Google Drive just fine. > Web3 means I have all the rights to my data You already do, if you store it off-cloud or pay for storage > applications can live on beyond their creators. This is solved off-cloud. I can still run executables from the 90s.
- nwienert 4y agoLess space than a nomad.
- cristiioan 4y agoWhy do we need another type of domains? IF you need a domain, just buy one normally. You have more control over it, and it is fully accessible from the open web.
- ur-whale 4y agohttps://seized.anom.io/ https://seized.anom.io/ https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/weleakinfoto-and-related-domain-names-seized https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/weleakinfoto-and-related-...
- rvz 4y ago> You have more control over it, and it is fully accessible from the open web. Do you want this again? [0] [1]. The so-called 'open web' is complete nonsense which technologists at large tech companies have taken control to push on their next grifting and surveillance products. For example, Google Chrome being used as the dominant browser and Google already leading control over web standards, privacy violations and sabotaging other browsers like Firefox for their own gain. There is no such thing as the 'open web'. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21611677 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21611677 [1] https://thehackerblog.com/the-io-error-taking-control-of-all-io-domains-with-a-targeted-registration/ https://thehackerblog.com/the-io-error-taking-control-of-all...
- ahurmazda 4y ago> "... explore the Internet without sacrificing their privacy or their autonomy, ,” said Brendan Eich ... My irony meter exploded
- Imnimo 4y agoIs there someplace that spells out exactly what an unstoppable domain is and how it works? I looked at their website but it's hard to find clear technical details.
- jedimind 4y agothis is exactly kind of stuff that makes me distrust brave, they give off shady sell out vibes with terrible partnerships like this
- zmmmmm 4y agoI wonder where the people behind this think it will end? On the surface, this appears like a libertarian attempt to dethrone governments and other authorities from having control over internet content. But what we have seen time and time again is that these things follow a cycle so predicable its almost boring: (a) technologists break free of control and invent libertarian paradise (b) criminals and other bad actors flock there (c) governments create laws and regulations that make it either illegal or practically so inconvenient to operate such services that nobody can do it any more In practical terms, what exact plan do they have when Web3 becomes a giant cess pool of child porn and underground illegal gambling and drug trading? Do they really think governments are going to say "Oh well we can't do anything about these 'unstoppable' domains so I guess child porn is ok now?". Do they understand that the inevitable actions taken by government to regain control will end up over-reaching - almost by definition. The more resistent the libertarian paradise is to control, the more blunt and severe the response is going to be in regaining it. The worst thing is, when the over-reach happens, it doesn't just affect thelibertarians; it wrecks every other valid use of the technology. Witness the sun setting on legal encryption as governments steadily outlaw it around the world.
- kelthuzad 4y ago"unstoppable" domains is the latest VC grift with their false advertising, since they moved to a L2 "Polygon", it takes only a handful of people who are part of the 8 people multisig to stop their "unstoppable" domains. There is also not much a centralized company like UD could ever really resist as you elegantly described. It will not take much pressure from governments or other entities to make the company UD crumble like a house of cards. An old fashioned centralized company roleplaying "decentralized" theater, VCs will be VCs..
- cinquemb 4y ago"Leaders" of large groups of people throughout history with the incumbent power of their present day have routinely made rules against technology of the day that went on to become relatively cheap and ubiquitous through many populations. Such things people may not even consider technology today... that most likely were used in the vices of those days long past just as much as what newer tech is used and abused for by certain people. At some point the cost to regulate, police and ban far exceeds the cost of each instance of usage of such tech. Sure, it hurts those who face the wrath of the incumbent powers head on, but it really doesn't matter long term.
- cinquemb 4y agoWish Brendan would start a team that would port features into servo/and nightly ;)
- noworriesnate 4y agoDo you know now things are going with servo? I noticed there is still some activity since Mozilla abandoned it, are people still trying to make it a real browser?
- cinquemb 4y agoWell, its still used within firefox, but from the commit activity, doesnt really seem under active dev. Mozilla still adds their own stuff to it (that I ted to compile out if its for their crap), but I do not see it reflected on github.
- armchairhacker 4y agoWhy does this need web3? Why can’t you do “unstoppable domains” using non-crypto decentralized techniques like those in Tor or BitTorrent?
- landemva 4y agoHow does a person control/own the domain without someone else taking it? Note that UD is built on chain, not building their own token. For comparison, Helium is a VC scam and the VC needed the HNT token to cash out the money errr the value.
- mminer237 4y agoLook at .onion domains. You make the domain name itself a public key based on the server's private key. You only need an authority if you want people to solely own arbitrary names.
- plaguepilled 4y agoEvery time I want to give Brave the benefit of the doubt they pull this shit. Inexcusable.
- togs 4y agoUnderstanding web3 has given me a newfound appreciation for our government.