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30% of the batch moving to the Bay Area is a pretty low rate. It’s time to start considering a move to a better location. The Bay Area is no longer in style, a

by xwdv 4y ago

30% of the batch moving to the Bay Area is a pretty low rate. It’s time to start considering a move to a better location. The Bay Area is no longer in style, and San Francisco is a dump, and somehow way too expensive.

blhack 4y ago
Where do you suggest?
- xwdv 4y ago
  Come to Austin.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    Female participation in Engineering/IT is already unacceptably low. Texas making abortion illegal would discourage women from wanting to work there exacerbating the problem.
    - jacobriis 4y ago
      - bruceb 4y ago
        It is hassle for women, more so for poor women who might not have money laying around for flights and hotels. It is also the signal it sends about who thinks you should have no choice. Republicans were probably on their way to taking the house before Roe was struck down. Its the one issue for some that overrides other considerations.
      - csa 4y ago
        > How often are persons who self-identify as having the capacity for pregnancy having abortions that a two hour flight to Denver won't do? Iirc, anyone who knowingly assists this person in getting to Denver for the abortion is exposing themselves to criminal liability via the “community” whistleblower laws. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/workers-abortion-privacy-at-risk-as-texas-targets-employer-aid https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/workers-abo... “Texas is front and center in the abortion rights battle, drawing attention last year for a new whistleblower-type law (SB 8) that lets an individual sue anyone who “aids or abets” an abortion and receive a $10,000 reward.”
        jacobriis 4y ago
        Why would you tell your Uber driver you're traveling to have an abortion? Probably TMI even without SB 8.
        csa 4y ago
        > Why would you tell your Uber driver you're traveling to have an abortion? Probably TMI even without SB 8. So an Uber driver would be the only person who could aid or assist someone getting to Denver from Texas? I think your point is very myopic here. More realistic examples are: - friend or family driving someone to the airport - friend or family paying for flight or donating miles - friend or family successfully assisting in searching for flight (tough to prove, but still illegal, and certain text messages with detailed suggestions could be damning evidence) - family or friend making lodging arrangements in Denver (with hotel, Airbnb, friend, etc.) - family or friend going with woman to Denver to help the woman with anything - family or friend sending encouragement messages like “hang in there” or “my thoughts and prayers are with you” - family or friend providing child care or pet care while woman is in Denver So, sure, technically this can be done without telling anyone involved, but it socially isolates the woman who is probably in a vulnerable spot. I think that is the goal of this legislation. “Hey Mom, I’m going to Denver for a few days just cuz. Could you please watch my pets and my house for a few days? Also, please don’t ask why I’m breaking down in tears all the time…” And that conversation assumes no financial assistance is needed for travel, lodging, or procedure.
        jacobriis 4y ago
        Persons who self identify as having the capacity for pregnancy manage to book flights and get to the airport on their own routinely. I really don't understand why people making the case you need to be a criminal mastermind to circumvent this law think that is credible.
      - dang 4y ago
        Please don't post flamebait to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        jacobriis 4y ago
        How is this an unrelated controversy and the parent comment is not? If the the question is whether a company should not locate themselves in Austin because of SB 8 is permitted, so too should the observation that prospective employees can readily circumvent the law with a day trip to Denver.
    - xwdv 4y ago
      So it should have little to no impact.
- allenleee 4y ago
  Miami, NYC, Austin
kansface 4y ago
Handshake deals require two hands. You need the proximity to the VCs if nothing else.
- xwdv 4y ago
  70% of the batch didn’t think so.
threeseed 4y ago
1) The standard deal gives much more money to startups and so based on what I've see on Crunchbase many startups are simply not raising seed rounds post-YC. So that negates the need to move to a VC hotspot like SF at least in the beginning. 2) COVID has demonstrated that you can make remote work and that a sizeable percentage of employees (especially in IT sector) will only accept a remote role. Many startups simply won't have offices or headquarters at all. 3) As was pointed out by Jason Calcanis last week a lot of the people who publicly told the world they were leaving SF for Texas, Florida etc have been quietly moving back. Despite all of SF's many problems there isn't anywhere else that can replicate the critical mass of talent and network that it provides.
- tmpz22 4y ago
  To spell it out further: The SFBA is a great place to live if you have money. And as long as business continues to revolve around people who have money, the Bay Area will remain a perfectly valid place to do business. --- I don't think its even about the "tech talent" for most start-up projects, as you can certainly source this remotely to an adequate level to meet the early needs of a startup. As long as the whales are here, it will make sense to have a fishing boat.
- phlipski 4y ago
  Reminds me of a quote I saw earlier this year in Bloomberg about wall street companies moving to Florida: “The main problem with moving to Florida is that you have to live in Florida.” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-10/wall-street-a-listers-fled-to-florida-many-are-eyeing-a-return https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-10/wall-stre...
- deleted 4y ago
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int0x2e 4y ago
I would argue moving would require moving the VC industry as well, but if anyone can do it, YC would be the one to get it done. Having said that, it's going to be a real challenge - SV's prominence is quite massive and long-held. Founders would need this new location to offer similar benefits in terms of talent, investor access, etc. to make it worth their while.

by xwdv 4y ago

blhack 4y ago

Where do you suggest?

xwdv 4y ago
Come to Austin.
- threeseed 4y ago
  Female participation in Engineering/IT is already unacceptably low. Texas making abortion illegal would discourage women from wanting to work there exacerbating the problem.
  - jacobriis 4y ago
    - bruceb 4y ago
      It is hassle for women, more so for poor women who might not have money laying around for flights and hotels. It is also the signal it sends about who thinks you should have no choice. Republicans were probably on their way to taking the house before Roe was struck down. Its the one issue for some that overrides other considerations.
    - csa 4y ago
      > How often are persons who self-identify as having the capacity for pregnancy having abortions that a two hour flight to Denver won't do? Iirc, anyone who knowingly assists this person in getting to Denver for the abortion is exposing themselves to criminal liability via the “community” whistleblower laws. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/workers-abortion-privacy-at-risk-as-texas-targets-employer-aid https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/workers-abo... “Texas is front and center in the abortion rights battle, drawing attention last year for a new whistleblower-type law (SB 8) that lets an individual sue anyone who “aids or abets” an abortion and receive a $10,000 reward.”
      - jacobriis 4y ago
        Why would you tell your Uber driver you're traveling to have an abortion? Probably TMI even without SB 8.
        csa 4y ago
        > Why would you tell your Uber driver you're traveling to have an abortion? Probably TMI even without SB 8. So an Uber driver would be the only person who could aid or assist someone getting to Denver from Texas? I think your point is very myopic here. More realistic examples are: - friend or family driving someone to the airport - friend or family paying for flight or donating miles - friend or family successfully assisting in searching for flight (tough to prove, but still illegal, and certain text messages with detailed suggestions could be damning evidence) - family or friend making lodging arrangements in Denver (with hotel, Airbnb, friend, etc.) - family or friend going with woman to Denver to help the woman with anything - family or friend sending encouragement messages like “hang in there” or “my thoughts and prayers are with you” - family or friend providing child care or pet care while woman is in Denver So, sure, technically this can be done without telling anyone involved, but it socially isolates the woman who is probably in a vulnerable spot. I think that is the goal of this legislation. “Hey Mom, I’m going to Denver for a few days just cuz. Could you please watch my pets and my house for a few days? Also, please don’t ask why I’m breaking down in tears all the time…” And that conversation assumes no financial assistance is needed for travel, lodging, or procedure.
        jacobriis 4y ago
        Persons who self identify as having the capacity for pregnancy manage to book flights and get to the airport on their own routinely. I really don't understand why people making the case you need to be a criminal mastermind to circumvent this law think that is credible.
    - dang 4y ago
      Please don't post flamebait to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - jacobriis 4y ago
        How is this an unrelated controversy and the parent comment is not? If the the question is whether a company should not locate themselves in Austin because of SB 8 is permitted, so too should the observation that prospective employees can readily circumvent the law with a day trip to Denver.
  - xwdv 4y ago
    So it should have little to no impact.
allenleee 4y ago
Miami, NYC, Austin

kansface 4y ago

Handshake deals require two hands. You need the proximity to the VCs if nothing else.

xwdv 4y ago
70% of the batch didn’t think so.

threeseed 4y ago

1) The standard deal gives much more money to startups and so based on what I've see on Crunchbase many startups are simply not raising seed rounds post-YC. So that negates the need to move to a VC hotspot like SF at least in the beginning. 2) COVID has demonstrated that you can make remote work and that a sizeable percentage of employees (especially in IT sector) will only accept a remote role. Many startups simply won't have offices or headquarters at all. 3) As was pointed out by Jason Calcanis last week a lot of the people who publicly told the world they were leaving SF for Texas, Florida etc have been quietly moving back. Despite all of SF's many problems there isn't anywhere else that can replicate the critical mass of talent and network that it provides.

tmpz22 4y ago
To spell it out further: The SFBA is a great place to live if you have money. And as long as business continues to revolve around people who have money, the Bay Area will remain a perfectly valid place to do business. --- I don't think its even about the "tech talent" for most start-up projects, as you can certainly source this remotely to an adequate level to meet the early needs of a startup. As long as the whales are here, it will make sense to have a fishing boat.
phlipski 4y ago
Reminds me of a quote I saw earlier this year in Bloomberg about wall street companies moving to Florida: “The main problem with moving to Florida is that you have to live in Florida.” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-10/wall-street-a-listers-fled-to-florida-many-are-eyeing-a-return https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-10/wall-stre...
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int0x2e 4y ago

I would argue moving would require moving the VC industry as well, but if anyone can do it, YC would be the one to get it done. Having said that, it's going to be a real challenge - SV's prominence is quite massive and long-held. Founders would need this new location to offer similar benefits in terms of talent, investor access, etc. to make it worth their while.