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I do mark all unsolicited marketing emails as spam, and I do consider my email to be public. In fact I welcome unsolicited emails from people that want to netwo

I do mark all unsolicited marketing emails as spam, and I do consider my email to be public. In fact I welcome unsolicited emails from people that want to network, ask me questions, or anything else. This isn’t that. This is a vaguely personalized marketing email sent through SendGrid. I expect he probably scraped me, and put me into some marketing automation tool and is running me through a program.

verdverm 4y ago
Are you just venting here?
- rco8786 4y ago
  A little public shaming never hurt.
  - verdverm 4y ago
    - rco8786 4y ago
      I said a little
      - verdverm 4y ago
        "never hurt"
    - eloisius 4y ago
      > false accusations Not the same thing as public shaming for provable bad behavior.
      - verdverm 4y ago
        what proof do we have beyond your claims here?
- bdcravens 4y ago
  No, it seems like they are calling out repeated abuse by a YC company. From what I can see, it's unlikely these are false accusations as your down-thread reply implies.
  - verdverm 4y ago
    how is this "abuse" and not the same as any other company using your email for marketing?
    - eloisius 4y ago
      If those other companies don't have a prior business relationship with you, then they are also committing abuse. In fact, it has been illegal in the US for almost 20 years [1], even if it is difficult to enforce. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003
      - verdverm 4y ago
        > The CAN-SPAM Act is occasionally referred to by critics as the "You-Can-Spam" Act because the bill fails to prohibit many types of e-mail spam and preempts some state laws that would otherwise have provided victims with practical means of redress. In particular, it does not require e-mailers to get permission before they send marketing messages. Maybe read the sources you try to use to back up your flawed argument?
        eloisius 4y ago
        > A visible and operable unsubscribe mechanism is present in all emails. > Consumer opt-out requests are honored within 10 business days. They didn't include an unsubscribe, and if we take my plain English request to stop sending me emails as an opt-out request, then they also failed to honor my request within 10 days. However, my point isn't to say I have a legal case against Runops for spamming me. Just that their founder is behaving unethically by sending me unsolicited emails (even after I asked him to stop) about his company for no reason other than that I have worked on open source software before. So far, your arguments have been - Why don't you (and however many thousands of other people he spammed) just block him? - This is a false accusation, e.i. there's no reason to believe you received these emails - It's not spam anyway I have to wonder. Do you scrape developers' emails out of GitHub and send them marketing emails to promote your startup?
jhloa2 4y ago
I haven’t worked at sendgrid in years but when I was there they took spam reports very seriously and even a few reports would negatively affect the senders reputation.

verdverm 4y ago

Are you just venting here?

rco8786 4y ago
A little public shaming never hurt.
- verdverm 4y ago
  - rco8786 4y ago
    I said a little
    - verdverm 4y ago
      "never hurt"
  - eloisius 4y ago
    > false accusations Not the same thing as public shaming for provable bad behavior.
    - verdverm 4y ago
      what proof do we have beyond your claims here?
bdcravens 4y ago
No, it seems like they are calling out repeated abuse by a YC company. From what I can see, it's unlikely these are false accusations as your down-thread reply implies.
- verdverm 4y ago
  how is this "abuse" and not the same as any other company using your email for marketing?
  - eloisius 4y ago
    If those other companies don't have a prior business relationship with you, then they are also committing abuse. In fact, it has been illegal in the US for almost 20 years [1], even if it is difficult to enforce. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003
    - verdverm 4y ago
      > The CAN-SPAM Act is occasionally referred to by critics as the "You-Can-Spam" Act because the bill fails to prohibit many types of e-mail spam and preempts some state laws that would otherwise have provided victims with practical means of redress. In particular, it does not require e-mailers to get permission before they send marketing messages. Maybe read the sources you try to use to back up your flawed argument?
      - eloisius 4y ago
        > A visible and operable unsubscribe mechanism is present in all emails. > Consumer opt-out requests are honored within 10 business days. They didn't include an unsubscribe, and if we take my plain English request to stop sending me emails as an opt-out request, then they also failed to honor my request within 10 days. However, my point isn't to say I have a legal case against Runops for spamming me. Just that their founder is behaving unethically by sending me unsolicited emails (even after I asked him to stop) about his company for no reason other than that I have worked on open source software before. So far, your arguments have been - Why don't you (and however many thousands of other people he spammed) just block him? - This is a false accusation, e.i. there's no reason to believe you received these emails - It's not spam anyway I have to wonder. Do you scrape developers' emails out of GitHub and send them marketing emails to promote your startup?

jhloa2 4y ago

I haven’t worked at sendgrid in years but when I was there they took spam reports very seriously and even a few reports would negatively affect the senders reputation.