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Now your just fat-shaming. But I totally agree with you, but how is weight any different than any other voluntarily arrived at (e.g. skin cancer because of no

Now your just fat-shaming. But I totally agree with you, but how is weight any different than any other voluntarily arrived at (e.g. skin cancer because of no sunscreen and too much sun exposure) "pre-existing conditions" that must be covered?

exabrial 4y ago
"Fat Shaming" is being mean to someone and humiliating them with the intention of harming them or for entertainment. Raising their insurance rates to correlate with their free-will choices is another matter. Am I being "speeder shamed" if my insurance company raises my rates for getting speeding tickets?
- ThunderSizzle 4y ago
  I was pointing out thr current absurd social media trends when people talk about being overweight negatively in any context. This context would be an egregious offense too, regardless of your common sense. I guess you haven't run into that yet.
  - kleene_op 4y ago
    Excuse this rethorical question, but is there any context where being overweight is something positive? I agree that shaming people for being fat is counterproductive. But dismissing honest attempts at breaking the status quo under the pretense that it is insulting to fat people is really doing them a disservice.
- rexpop 4y ago
  > free-will choices Obesity is not a choice, it's a result of food insecurity[0] and a common response to child sexual abuse.[1] 0. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4584410/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4584410/ 1. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/12/sexual-abuse-victims-obesity/420186/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/12/sexual-ab...
  - prirun 4y ago
    Obesity may be caused by those 2 things, but those are not the only causes as your post implies. An example: fast-food companies lobbied the government to allow Snap cards to be used for fast food. A Big Mac Meal costs $6 and contains 1080 calories according to Google. For $6, you can buy 3 cartons of eggs (Indiana). At 78 calories per egg, that's 2808 calories. So you can get 2.5x more calories from a healthy food like eggs rather than shitty food like a Big Mac meal. I've heard people say "poor people are fatter because good food costs more money than crappy fast food". I don't believe that. I think many people are fat because they don't want to bother going to the grocery store and cooking. It's easier to eat shit food in a box and drink a soda or three.
    - rexpop 4y ago
      Why are you arguing some point about cost that I didn't make instead of addressing the points I _did_ make? Incredible that you go through the trouble of building up a straw man when I am standing right here offering an actual argument. I guess it's cheaper than actually engaging with me in earnest. I am thoroughly disappointed.
      - prirun 4y ago
        The NIH article link you posted states: Food insecurity was determined by response (always/usually/sometimes) to the question,“How often in the past 12 months would you say you were worried or stressed about having enough money to buy nutritious meals?” I'm arguing about cost because food security in this survey is a cost issue. And, it's important to note that the article only covers 12 states. The Abstract ends with: "These findings are consistent with previous research and highlight the importance of increasing access to affordable healthy foods for all adults." My point is, we are instead increasing access for poor people to fast, unhealthy foods that cost more per calorie provided (Big Mac Meals) than healthy food (eggs).

exabrial 4y ago

"Fat Shaming" is being mean to someone and humiliating them with the intention of harming them or for entertainment. Raising their insurance rates to correlate with their free-will choices is another matter. Am I being "speeder shamed" if my insurance company raises my rates for getting speeding tickets?

ThunderSizzle 4y ago
I was pointing out thr current absurd social media trends when people talk about being overweight negatively in any context. This context would be an egregious offense too, regardless of your common sense. I guess you haven't run into that yet.
- kleene_op 4y ago
  Excuse this rethorical question, but is there any context where being overweight is something positive? I agree that shaming people for being fat is counterproductive. But dismissing honest attempts at breaking the status quo under the pretense that it is insulting to fat people is really doing them a disservice.
rexpop 4y ago
> free-will choices Obesity is not a choice, it's a result of food insecurity[0] and a common response to child sexual abuse.[1] 0. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4584410/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4584410/ 1. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/12/sexual-abuse-victims-obesity/420186/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/12/sexual-ab...
- prirun 4y ago
  Obesity may be caused by those 2 things, but those are not the only causes as your post implies. An example: fast-food companies lobbied the government to allow Snap cards to be used for fast food. A Big Mac Meal costs $6 and contains 1080 calories according to Google. For $6, you can buy 3 cartons of eggs (Indiana). At 78 calories per egg, that's 2808 calories. So you can get 2.5x more calories from a healthy food like eggs rather than shitty food like a Big Mac meal. I've heard people say "poor people are fatter because good food costs more money than crappy fast food". I don't believe that. I think many people are fat because they don't want to bother going to the grocery store and cooking. It's easier to eat shit food in a box and drink a soda or three.
  - rexpop 4y ago
    Why are you arguing some point about cost that I didn't make instead of addressing the points I _did_ make? Incredible that you go through the trouble of building up a straw man when I am standing right here offering an actual argument. I guess it's cheaper than actually engaging with me in earnest. I am thoroughly disappointed.
    - prirun 4y ago
      The NIH article link you posted states: Food insecurity was determined by response (always/usually/sometimes) to the question,“How often in the past 12 months would you say you were worried or stressed about having enough money to buy nutritious meals?” I'm arguing about cost because food security in this survey is a cost issue. And, it's important to note that the article only covers 12 states. The Abstract ends with: "These findings are consistent with previous research and highlight the importance of increasing access to affordable healthy foods for all adults." My point is, we are instead increasing access for poor people to fast, unhealthy foods that cost more per calorie provided (Big Mac Meals) than healthy food (eggs).