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Tangential, but I often wish I had screenshots to prove I'd opted in, or out, or otherwise done the right thing. It shouldn't be too expensive to record and ind

by tlb 4y ago

Tangential, but I often wish I had screenshots to prove I'd opted in, or out, or otherwise done the right thing. It shouldn't be too expensive to record and index the screen whenever I'm doing something important online and keep it for a week.

that_guy_iain 4y ago
Would be a privacy nightmare. But some companies do, using hotjar and other tools.
failrate 4y ago
Multiple products exist to take multiple screenshots over a time period including details on which application was in focus. This might be an approach thqt would work for you.
cortesoft 4y ago
Would a screenshot really prove anything, though? It would be trivial to modify
- tlb 4y ago
  If it comes down to an I-said/they-said about whether I checked some box, then: - if it's my memory against their database, I'd probably lose. - if it's my video capture against their database, it could go either way. - if it's me and several others' videos against their database, we'd likely win. But besides the win-lose proposition, it'd be worth something to me to be confident whether I was right or not.
  - mynameisvlad 4y ago
    But who are you trying to convince? If it's them, they can just say "ok so what" to your footage, it existing or not or coming from multiple people or not is not entirely relevant, as a company they can choose to use it or throw it away. If it's everyone else, why? What benefit does it get you to have others know you're right? You're still in the same position, with your choice discarded.
    - tlb 4y ago
      It could be a journalist writing a story about how some company sells your information despite users checking "[x] don't sell my information". It could be a government consumer protection agency investigating the company, or a court asked to fine the company.
- KingOfCoders 4y ago
  When working a large enterprise, legal asked technology if we could create and store a screenshot of every email going out for evidence in court.
  - dsr_ 4y ago
    Did you explain cryptographic signing to them?
    - KingOfCoders 4y ago
      How would you show the content and layout of an email with cryptographic signing? You could sign the screenshot with a timestamp (out of my league though to get that right) from an untamperable source to show it hasn't been tampered with. Did you mean that?
      - dsr_ 4y ago
        Every day, generate an archive of all the email you received. Encrypt it, sign it, and generate a hash. Put all the hashes on a public page. Write the procedure up, and have a VP attest that they ordered this done and have audited a random sample to ensure that it was done to spec. Get the attestation notarized. Repeat once a quarter or so. If the VP moves on or dies, make sure the new VP is on board immediately. No need to have a screenshot, it's email. When a court requires you to show evidence, you bring in the VP, the notarized statement, a copy of the code, and the encrypted and unencrypted archive for that day.
        KingOfCoders 4y ago
        I don't know if saving the email with all inline images and downloading all external images, having the mail clients to render this as it was at the time, packaging this up, etc. is easier than taking a screenshot (like E.g. Litmus does) E.g. for offers in an image.
password4321 4y ago
Take more screenshots https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277 20220724 > record my screen with OBS (https://obsproject.com/ https://obsproject.com/) >> 1080p in 10fps might be enough and it won't take ridiculous amount of space (ffmpeg de-dupe afterward: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277#32223240 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277#32223240) -- > The space requirements can be very low capturing something like writing code (ffmpeg low fps: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277#32235012 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277#32235012) -- > (Mac shell command & AppleScript: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277#32219314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277#32219314) -- Other OSS recommendations (there are a couple good offline Mac software recommendations as well): https://getsharex.com https://getsharex.com - Windows > You can also configure sharex to run tesseract ocr locally on the images https://github.com/soruly/TimeSnap https://github.com/soruly/TimeSnap - Windows, archived https://github.com/wanderingstan/Lifeslice https://github.com/wanderingstan/Lifeslice - Mac https://flameshot.org https://flameshot.org https://tropy.org https://tropy.org - organize images
- ayewo 4y ago
  There is also RetroClip https://apps.apple.com/us/app/retroclip/id1332064978?ls=1&mt=12 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/retroclip/id1332064978?ls=1&mt... for macOS by Real Artists [1] though I haven't used it yet 1: https://www.realartists.com/ https://www.realartists.com/

by tlb 4y ago

that_guy_iain 4y ago

Would be a privacy nightmare. But some companies do, using hotjar and other tools.

failrate 4y ago

Multiple products exist to take multiple screenshots over a time period including details on which application was in focus. This might be an approach thqt would work for you.

cortesoft 4y ago

Would a screenshot really prove anything, though? It would be trivial to modify

tlb 4y ago
If it comes down to an I-said/they-said about whether I checked some box, then: - if it's my memory against their database, I'd probably lose. - if it's my video capture against their database, it could go either way. - if it's me and several others' videos against their database, we'd likely win. But besides the win-lose proposition, it'd be worth something to me to be confident whether I was right or not.
- mynameisvlad 4y ago
  But who are you trying to convince? If it's them, they can just say "ok so what" to your footage, it existing or not or coming from multiple people or not is not entirely relevant, as a company they can choose to use it or throw it away. If it's everyone else, why? What benefit does it get you to have others know you're right? You're still in the same position, with your choice discarded.
  - tlb 4y ago
    It could be a journalist writing a story about how some company sells your information despite users checking "[x] don't sell my information". It could be a government consumer protection agency investigating the company, or a court asked to fine the company.
KingOfCoders 4y ago
When working a large enterprise, legal asked technology if we could create and store a screenshot of every email going out for evidence in court.
- dsr_ 4y ago
  Did you explain cryptographic signing to them?
  - KingOfCoders 4y ago
    How would you show the content and layout of an email with cryptographic signing? You could sign the screenshot with a timestamp (out of my league though to get that right) from an untamperable source to show it hasn't been tampered with. Did you mean that?
    - dsr_ 4y ago
      Every day, generate an archive of all the email you received. Encrypt it, sign it, and generate a hash. Put all the hashes on a public page. Write the procedure up, and have a VP attest that they ordered this done and have audited a random sample to ensure that it was done to spec. Get the attestation notarized. Repeat once a quarter or so. If the VP moves on or dies, make sure the new VP is on board immediately. No need to have a screenshot, it's email. When a court requires you to show evidence, you bring in the VP, the notarized statement, a copy of the code, and the encrypted and unencrypted archive for that day.
      - KingOfCoders 4y ago
        I don't know if saving the email with all inline images and downloading all external images, having the mail clients to render this as it was at the time, packaging this up, etc. is easier than taking a screenshot (like E.g. Litmus does) E.g. for offers in an image.

password4321 4y ago

Take more screenshots https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277 20220724 > record my screen with OBS (https://obsproject.com/ https://obsproject.com/) >> 1080p in 10fps might be enough and it won't take ridiculous amount of space (ffmpeg de-dupe afterward: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277#32223240 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277#32223240) -- > The space requirements can be very low capturing something like writing code (ffmpeg low fps: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277#32235012 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277#32235012) -- > (Mac shell command & AppleScript: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277#32219314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32215277#32219314) -- Other OSS recommendations (there are a couple good offline Mac software recommendations as well): https://getsharex.com https://getsharex.com - Windows > You can also configure sharex to run tesseract ocr locally on the images https://github.com/soruly/TimeSnap https://github.com/soruly/TimeSnap - Windows, archived https://github.com/wanderingstan/Lifeslice https://github.com/wanderingstan/Lifeslice - Mac https://flameshot.org https://flameshot.org https://tropy.org https://tropy.org - organize images

ayewo 4y ago
There is also RetroClip https://apps.apple.com/us/app/retroclip/id1332064978?ls=1&mt=12 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/retroclip/id1332064978?ls=1&mt... for macOS by Real Artists [1] though I haven't used it yet 1: https://www.realartists.com/ https://www.realartists.com/