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I do not believe any shithead should be given a pass. My comment was mostly about who decides who is a shithead. If tomorrow someone famous/outreaching enough o

I do not believe any shithead should be given a pass. My comment was mostly about who decides who is a shithead. If tomorrow someone famous/outreaching enough on twitter/etc. decides that I am a shithead, should google close my account?

jjulius 4y ago
If you were to host your own forum, and people began using it to dox trans individuals with the explicit goal of harassing them, how would you react and what action(s), if any, would you take?
- caeril 4y ago
  Probably the same actions taken on antifa forums that are used to dox Trump-voting boomers with the explicit goal of harassing them: nothing. IA is not being "bad", here. They're just being inconsistent. Either doxing/harassment is casus belli to scrub content, or it's not.
  - manuelabeledo 4y ago
    > Probably the same actions taken on antifa forums that are used to dox Trump-voting boomers with the explicit goal of harassing them: nothing. We do know that Kiwifarms was doxing people, but I would like to see proof of these "antifa forums", please. "Antifa" has become such an umbrella term, it's almost mythological at this point.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    The closest I've seen to this in real life is people pawing through 1/6 photos to identify criminals and report them to the police. I don't hang out on antifa forums tho, care to enlighten us where that's happening?
- HereIGoAgain 4y ago
  I don't understand the point of your example because that isn't what is happening here. Harassing is against the rules and will get you banned.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    You are demonstrating a clear failure to understand not only the magnitude of what occurs, and can occur, when someone is doxx'd, but also KiwiFarms' history as a party to specific incidents of suicide and external harassment as a result of said doxx'ing on that site.
    - HereIGoAgain 4y ago
      Doxxing is not illegal, if posting publicly available info can even be called that. The only suicide that was actually blamed on the site by the victim, is someone nobody can show any official or direct evidence of's death. The second of the 3 alleged deaths, literally blamed the mental health system and becoming homeless the day before.. no mentions of kiwifarms.. It was online "allies" after the fact that made the link among efforts to get the site shut down in the past. All of the claims largely cases of "if you say something enough times people will start repeating it" This whole mess has some real rabbit holes, but anyone who does a little research will find a lot of the claims used to drum up hysteria are quite wanting in the way of facts or proof.
      - dragonwriter 4y ago
        > Doxxing is not illegal This is true, in some jurisdictions, in the same sense that it is true that homicide is not illegal. Doxxing with particular intent is illegal in those jurisdictions; e. g., California where Penal Code § 653.2 was adopted specifically to address harassment by doxxing. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=653.2 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio....
        HereIGoAgain 4y ago
        There are exceptions but the point still mostly stands. Secondly, "with intent" the rules of the site explicitly forbid harassing or interacting so that's going to be quite a claim, even in those rare exceptions, to make let alone prove. Plus, a lot of what we are talking about isn't likely to qualify anyway since most of it is simply posting publicly available information, usually from the person themselves and still available from their accounts/SM etc.
ohgodplsno 4y ago
Yeah ? In the same way that if you're in my home and someone comes to me telling me you're being a shithead, and there's verifiable proof that you're being a shithead at the very moment, you're going out.
phpisthebest 4y ago
>>>decides that I am a shithead, should google close my account? Google (and facebook, twitter, paypal, etc) does that with regularity today, every once in awhile someone with reach in the tech community has it happen to them, some programmer or researcher, etc and it makes the news here but political commentators are banned every day off google sites because some one with enough influence on twitter targeted them for being a "shithead" in their view.
tssva 4y ago
If Google wants to, yes.

jjulius 4y ago

If you were to host your own forum, and people began using it to dox trans individuals with the explicit goal of harassing them, how would you react and what action(s), if any, would you take?

caeril 4y ago
Probably the same actions taken on antifa forums that are used to dox Trump-voting boomers with the explicit goal of harassing them: nothing. IA is not being "bad", here. They're just being inconsistent. Either doxing/harassment is casus belli to scrub content, or it's not.
- manuelabeledo 4y ago
  > Probably the same actions taken on antifa forums that are used to dox Trump-voting boomers with the explicit goal of harassing them: nothing. We do know that Kiwifarms was doxing people, but I would like to see proof of these "antifa forums", please. "Antifa" has become such an umbrella term, it's almost mythological at this point.
- klyrs 4y ago
  The closest I've seen to this in real life is people pawing through 1/6 photos to identify criminals and report them to the police. I don't hang out on antifa forums tho, care to enlighten us where that's happening?
HereIGoAgain 4y ago
I don't understand the point of your example because that isn't what is happening here. Harassing is against the rules and will get you banned.
- jjulius 4y ago
  You are demonstrating a clear failure to understand not only the magnitude of what occurs, and can occur, when someone is doxx'd, but also KiwiFarms' history as a party to specific incidents of suicide and external harassment as a result of said doxx'ing on that site.
  - HereIGoAgain 4y ago
    Doxxing is not illegal, if posting publicly available info can even be called that. The only suicide that was actually blamed on the site by the victim, is someone nobody can show any official or direct evidence of's death. The second of the 3 alleged deaths, literally blamed the mental health system and becoming homeless the day before.. no mentions of kiwifarms.. It was online "allies" after the fact that made the link among efforts to get the site shut down in the past. All of the claims largely cases of "if you say something enough times people will start repeating it" This whole mess has some real rabbit holes, but anyone who does a little research will find a lot of the claims used to drum up hysteria are quite wanting in the way of facts or proof.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > Doxxing is not illegal This is true, in some jurisdictions, in the same sense that it is true that homicide is not illegal. Doxxing with particular intent is illegal in those jurisdictions; e. g., California where Penal Code § 653.2 was adopted specifically to address harassment by doxxing. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=653.2 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio....
      - HereIGoAgain 4y ago
        There are exceptions but the point still mostly stands. Secondly, "with intent" the rules of the site explicitly forbid harassing or interacting so that's going to be quite a claim, even in those rare exceptions, to make let alone prove. Plus, a lot of what we are talking about isn't likely to qualify anyway since most of it is simply posting publicly available information, usually from the person themselves and still available from their accounts/SM etc.

ohgodplsno 4y ago

Yeah ? In the same way that if you're in my home and someone comes to me telling me you're being a shithead, and there's verifiable proof that you're being a shithead at the very moment, you're going out.

phpisthebest 4y ago

>>>decides that I am a shithead, should google close my account? Google (and facebook, twitter, paypal, etc) does that with regularity today, every once in awhile someone with reach in the tech community has it happen to them, some programmer or researcher, etc and it makes the news here but political commentators are banned every day off google sites because some one with enough influence on twitter targeted them for being a "shithead" in their view.

tssva 4y ago

If Google wants to, yes.