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>A lot of developers work for companies that has more than $25M in revenue, and now a ton of them is going to get shit from management because they added this c

>A lot of developers work for companies that has more than $25M in revenue, and now a ton of them is going to get shit from management because they added this cuckoo egg dependency back when it used an open source license. No, they're just going to not bump Akka until they can either find a replacement, or accept a new version with a new license. You do not need to bump it every month, you can live with half a year of not patching it while you make your decision. Additionally, your company is making 25 million in revenue, they can afford the extremely minimal cost. Not accepting that cost shows the company for what it is, a bunch of leeches.

kryptiskt 4y ago
Like, have you even looked at those prices? $2K per CPU isn't extremely minimal for anybody. If you have a hundred servers with 16 CPUs that's $3M. For just a library. Speaking of a bunch of leeches.
- ohgodplsno 4y ago
  If you've built your entire company around a single library that does all the heavy lifting and you need a hundred servers with 16 CPUs to run just that, why do you think you're entitled to not pay your fair share for it ? Clearly, you chose Akka because it was valuable enough to allow you to bring your company to that scale. If half of your company is based around gluing together a bunch of things that can only run because of Akka, it is fair that you pay half of your revenue to the people who actually make your company work.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
    > Clearly, you chose Akka because it was valuable enough to allow you to bring your company to that scale. If that selection was made when it was being given away for free, it's rather hard to make the determination. > If half of your company is based around gluing together a bunch of things that can only run because of Akka, it is fair that you pay half of your revenue to the people who actually make your company work. And half to Linux, and half to GNU, and half to Apple, and half to your compiler of choice? There are a lot of critical pieces of infrastructure; I'm not really sure that this line of reasoning holds up very well. Unless of course, you think this one library is so magical that it deserves more money than all the other critical components.
  - ahtihn 4y ago
    It's a library. I don't need hundreds of servers to run the library. I need hundreds of servers to run the applications that have it as a dependency. Imagine if something like gRPC was priced like that.
    - shrdlu2 4y ago
      Yeah, or spring (vmware), or guava (google), or react (facebook), or dozens of other common dependencies. Thankfully I have managed to avoid Akka in our products but the precedent being set here is worrisome.
- braingenious 4y ago
  It’s usurious to charge $3 million for the privilege of making $25 million? What is a not-leech price for critical infrastructure that allows you to generate $25 million? $1?

kryptiskt 4y ago

Like, have you even looked at those prices? $2K per CPU isn't extremely minimal for anybody. If you have a hundred servers with 16 CPUs that's $3M. For just a library. Speaking of a bunch of leeches.

ohgodplsno 4y ago
If you've built your entire company around a single library that does all the heavy lifting and you need a hundred servers with 16 CPUs to run just that, why do you think you're entitled to not pay your fair share for it ? Clearly, you chose Akka because it was valuable enough to allow you to bring your company to that scale. If half of your company is based around gluing together a bunch of things that can only run because of Akka, it is fair that you pay half of your revenue to the people who actually make your company work.
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  > Clearly, you chose Akka because it was valuable enough to allow you to bring your company to that scale. If that selection was made when it was being given away for free, it's rather hard to make the determination. > If half of your company is based around gluing together a bunch of things that can only run because of Akka, it is fair that you pay half of your revenue to the people who actually make your company work. And half to Linux, and half to GNU, and half to Apple, and half to your compiler of choice? There are a lot of critical pieces of infrastructure; I'm not really sure that this line of reasoning holds up very well. Unless of course, you think this one library is so magical that it deserves more money than all the other critical components.
- ahtihn 4y ago
  It's a library. I don't need hundreds of servers to run the library. I need hundreds of servers to run the applications that have it as a dependency. Imagine if something like gRPC was priced like that.
  - shrdlu2 4y ago
    Yeah, or spring (vmware), or guava (google), or react (facebook), or dozens of other common dependencies. Thankfully I have managed to avoid Akka in our products but the precedent being set here is worrisome.
braingenious 4y ago
It’s usurious to charge $3 million for the privilege of making $25 million? What is a not-leech price for critical infrastructure that allows you to generate $25 million? $1?