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Have you guys not noticed that every time someone posts a link to an onswiped article, half the comments are about how shitty onswipe is?

jasonlbaptiste 15y ago
You either love it or hate it. The tech crowd seems to be more towards a hate level due to certain expectations. Overall, >95% of readers using an Onswipe experience opt to keep it the default.
- jacquesgt 15y ago
  No, 5% are opting to remove it. You have no idea how many are leaving in frustration, and how many don't know how to turn this thing off. I can assure you 95% of people aren't "opting" to keep it.
  - jasonlbaptiste 15y ago
    I can assure you they are. Beyond the opting out, we also look at things like bounce rate and other metrics.
    - jacquesgt 15y ago
      Which metrics are you using to figure out how many visitors see the link at the bottom of the page, understand what it means, and decide "no, I prefer the Onswipe version of this page"?
      - shinratdr 15y ago
        It's a feature of Google's new Magic Analytics. Now you can know exactly what the user wants without receiving any user input or feedback whatsoever!
    - dpark 15y ago
      I can assure you that a lot of people don't know how to turn it off. I didn't realize it was possible until I read your comment. I've totally stopped opening links from extremetech on my ipad due to the unusability of the interface.
    - thesausageking 15y ago
      Read this thread. > 95% of HN users are telling you your app sucks. Stop arguing with your users. You're not going to convince us with numbers that we're wrong. We've used your app. It does in fact suck.
    - shinratdr 15y ago
      You're joking right? I've never seen so many people actually e-mail in complaints for something like this. Just read this thread. It's clear that your product provides little to no value and most would prefer it doesn't exist. Take that to heart. Please.
- shinratdr 15y ago
  > certain expectations Right, over the top expectations like caring more about the content of the site then choppy, unsatisfying animations. No wonder all these crappy iPad sites have been popping up if this is the attitude devs take. As an iPad owner, I hate them. Your desktop site rendered better and faster on an iPad then your iPad optimized version ever did.
- tzs 15y ago
  I've not encountered a single blog owner at Wordpress.com who opted to keep it once they found out it had been forced on them and checked out the user experience it provides. As far as certain expectations, I admit to that: I expect to read small blogs without my browser crashing and without jerky scrolling. If you think those expectations are only of the tech crowd, you are delusional. If 95% of the readers on Wordpress.com opt to keep it that is most likely due to the fact that you don't provide an opt out. All you provide is the ability to temporarily turn it off for that one session, and that is at the bottom of the page, so if you can reach that without a crashing there is not much point to turn it off. Also, if you are in landscape mode the opt out is often not clickable because your software scrolls back to move it off the page, and clicks are not recognizes during that auto scrolling. Put an to out at the top, with an option to permanently opt out, and let's see if that claimed 95% holds up. Months ago, you said several times that you would be fixing these problems with the Wordpress.com version of OnSwipe. We are still waiting.
  - shinratdr 15y ago
    > I expect to read small blogs without my browser crashing and without jerky scrolling. If you think those expectations are only of the tech crowd, you are delusional. This should be the mobile web developers creed, their Hippocratic Oath.
- falling 15y ago
  Except there is NO way for readers to opt out. Please, you promised this five months ago: give us a global cookie to opt out of it everywhere. Failing that, the minimum barely acceptable option would be to remember when I turn it off on each website.

jasonlbaptiste 15y ago

You either love it or hate it. The tech crowd seems to be more towards a hate level due to certain expectations. Overall, >95% of readers using an Onswipe experience opt to keep it the default.

jacquesgt 15y ago
No, 5% are opting to remove it. You have no idea how many are leaving in frustration, and how many don't know how to turn this thing off. I can assure you 95% of people aren't "opting" to keep it.
- jasonlbaptiste 15y ago
  I can assure you they are. Beyond the opting out, we also look at things like bounce rate and other metrics.
  - jacquesgt 15y ago
    Which metrics are you using to figure out how many visitors see the link at the bottom of the page, understand what it means, and decide "no, I prefer the Onswipe version of this page"?
    - shinratdr 15y ago
      It's a feature of Google's new Magic Analytics. Now you can know exactly what the user wants without receiving any user input or feedback whatsoever!
  - dpark 15y ago
    I can assure you that a lot of people don't know how to turn it off. I didn't realize it was possible until I read your comment. I've totally stopped opening links from extremetech on my ipad due to the unusability of the interface.
  - thesausageking 15y ago
    Read this thread. > 95% of HN users are telling you your app sucks. Stop arguing with your users. You're not going to convince us with numbers that we're wrong. We've used your app. It does in fact suck.
  - shinratdr 15y ago
    You're joking right? I've never seen so many people actually e-mail in complaints for something like this. Just read this thread. It's clear that your product provides little to no value and most would prefer it doesn't exist. Take that to heart. Please.
shinratdr 15y ago
> certain expectations Right, over the top expectations like caring more about the content of the site then choppy, unsatisfying animations. No wonder all these crappy iPad sites have been popping up if this is the attitude devs take. As an iPad owner, I hate them. Your desktop site rendered better and faster on an iPad then your iPad optimized version ever did.
tzs 15y ago
I've not encountered a single blog owner at Wordpress.com who opted to keep it once they found out it had been forced on them and checked out the user experience it provides. As far as certain expectations, I admit to that: I expect to read small blogs without my browser crashing and without jerky scrolling. If you think those expectations are only of the tech crowd, you are delusional. If 95% of the readers on Wordpress.com opt to keep it that is most likely due to the fact that you don't provide an opt out. All you provide is the ability to temporarily turn it off for that one session, and that is at the bottom of the page, so if you can reach that without a crashing there is not much point to turn it off. Also, if you are in landscape mode the opt out is often not clickable because your software scrolls back to move it off the page, and clicks are not recognizes during that auto scrolling. Put an to out at the top, with an option to permanently opt out, and let's see if that claimed 95% holds up. Months ago, you said several times that you would be fixing these problems with the Wordpress.com version of OnSwipe. We are still waiting.
- shinratdr 15y ago
  > I expect to read small blogs without my browser crashing and without jerky scrolling. If you think those expectations are only of the tech crowd, you are delusional. This should be the mobile web developers creed, their Hippocratic Oath.
falling 15y ago
Except there is NO way for readers to opt out. Please, you promised this five months ago: give us a global cookie to opt out of it everywhere. Failing that, the minimum barely acceptable option would be to remember when I turn it off on each website.