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It's $350 per student per semester, rather than hour. The course mentioned in the op-end is a 4 credit-hour course which typically means the class gets $200 per
by _e1bk 4y ago
It's $350 per student per semester, rather than hour. The course mentioned in the op-end is a 4 credit-hour course which typically means the class gets $200 per student per semester to host it
Some significant costs come from the massive scales the classes are taught at. This semester, the first required CS lower division class has 1800 students (https://classes.berkeley.edu/content/2022-fall-compsci-61a-001-lec-001 https://classes.berkeley.edu/content/2022-fall-compsci-61a-0...) and an upper division DBs class has 600 students. (https://classes.berkeley.edu/content/2022-fall-compsci-186-001-lec-001 https://classes.berkeley.edu/content/2022-fall-compsci-186-0...).
It takes a lot of TAs to handle student support, which doesn't scale well in practice. The class I teach publishes lots of videos and documentation about how to do the labs, projects, and homeworks, and we also have a forum where students can (to a reasonable extent) help each other out with common questions. However, the classes teach a lot of stuff really fast and you need a lot of TAs doing things like office hours to help students who didn't understand the speedy lecture, or have a particularly nasty time trying to debug an error.
One particularly difficult thing about this scaling is that students typically need TA help all at once. Office hours right before midterms and project deadlines have many students and more bodies are needed just to have good handling of "peak" times
Another aspect of TA cost is that TAs are paid significant amounts of tuition remission for their work, and the department has somewhat of a mandate to ensure any graduate student who wants to TA can get full tuition remission from a 10 hour position or higher (I'm guessing this is somewhat of a symptom of skyrocketing tuition and inadequate aid being foisted on the department to deal with). The department used to get around this by hiring tons of undergrads at an 8 hour level so they wouldn't get remission, but they were sued and paid out millions in backpay as well as paying all TAs a scaled remission based on their hour count. (https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/01/16/arbitrator-says-uc-berkeley-owes-its-computer-science-tas-5-million https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/01/16/arbitrator-sa...). Generally an 8-hour TA gets paid around $40 an hour after remission and a 20-hour TA gets paid around $50 an hour. [very rough math read the other comment for harder numbers]
-Am a TA, speaking for myself
- anu7df 4y agoWait $350 is for the whole semester? So, if a student takes 5 courses per semester it will cost $3500 per year. Why can't the $15000 instate and $44000 out of state pay for this? If even 20% of the tuition is not going for class expenses there is something messed up somewhere
- ThrustVectoring 4y agoThe $350 is the cost to the department in terms of things that scale per student (specifically faculty for teaching, grading homework, etc). The university as a whole has many other expenses.
- downrightmike 4y agoIt can't be a 43 times increase. There is no way that money is not just going to the Admin and Endowment.