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People are really out here thinking that arts and critical theory haven't advanced human civilization... and that science and technology exist in a cultural vac

People are really out here thinking that arts and critical theory haven't advanced human civilization... and that science and technology exist in a cultural vacuum.

nightski 4y ago
Most people aren't going to college for academic research, which is a big part of the problem. They are going for careers unfortunately.
- Balgair 4y ago
  In California it's a bit different. According to 'The Master Plan', UCs are designed for research and post-grad work and some professional careers. Only the UCs give out PhDs (with a few exceptions). CSUs are designed for professional and teacher education and cannot give out PhDs (with a few exceptions). So, as an undergrad thinking of grad school, a UC is a better place to go to as they have the grad labs and classes on campus, while the CSUs mostly do not. Your chances of getting into grad school are a bit higher. Berkeley, being a UC, is more geared toward research than Chico, a CSU. I mean, Cal even has a nobel prize parking lot. https://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-planning/content-analysis/academic-planning/california-master-plan.html https://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-plannin...
greatpostman 4y ago
Middle iq people have no business taking on huge debt to study critical theory
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- rafram 4y ago
  > Middle iq people What a sad way to categorize people.
NtochkaNzvanova 4y ago
- wwweston 4y ago
  I'd like to make sure I understand your position here. You seem to be saying there is a body of ideas that has gained such a widespread foothold that they hold a significant place in the culture such that they can unfavorably affect social dynamics at civilization-wide levels. If this is true, it would imply that we should be carefully -- some might even say critically -- be examining civilization at all levels from ideas (and their implications and consequences) through practices so we can understand those dynamics and perhaps help civilizations be more healthy. Does that sound about right? Because it also sounds like some kind of critical theory...
  - tsol 4y ago
    Your argument appears to be circular. He said he believes critical theory to have done social harm. You observe that he says there are ideas present in society that cause social harm. Then you say this means we need critical theory to examine such damage(as OP said is the result of critical theory).
    - wwweston 4y ago
      That's actually not what I said, unless any socially critical examination does in fact meet the definition of "critical theory"... And in fact, no one here knows what the commentor means by that phrase, much less how it's ostensibly done damage, which would be necessary in order to change their mind as invited.
  - badpun 4y ago
    > Because it also sounds like some kind of critical theory... What's the "theory" exactly? It just sounds like common sense.
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People are really out here thinking that arts and critical theory haven't advanced human civilization... and that science and technology exist in a cultural vacuum.

nightski 4y ago

Most people aren't going to college for academic research, which is a big part of the problem. They are going for careers unfortunately.

Balgair 4y ago
In California it's a bit different. According to 'The Master Plan', UCs are designed for research and post-grad work and some professional careers. Only the UCs give out PhDs (with a few exceptions). CSUs are designed for professional and teacher education and cannot give out PhDs (with a few exceptions). So, as an undergrad thinking of grad school, a UC is a better place to go to as they have the grad labs and classes on campus, while the CSUs mostly do not. Your chances of getting into grad school are a bit higher. Berkeley, being a UC, is more geared toward research than Chico, a CSU. I mean, Cal even has a nobel prize parking lot. https://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-planning/content-analysis/academic-planning/california-master-plan.html https://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-plannin...

greatpostman 4y ago

Middle iq people have no business taking on huge debt to study critical theory

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rafram 4y ago
> Middle iq people What a sad way to categorize people.

NtochkaNzvanova 4y ago

wwweston 4y ago
I'd like to make sure I understand your position here. You seem to be saying there is a body of ideas that has gained such a widespread foothold that they hold a significant place in the culture such that they can unfavorably affect social dynamics at civilization-wide levels. If this is true, it would imply that we should be carefully -- some might even say critically -- be examining civilization at all levels from ideas (and their implications and consequences) through practices so we can understand those dynamics and perhaps help civilizations be more healthy. Does that sound about right? Because it also sounds like some kind of critical theory...
- tsol 4y ago
  Your argument appears to be circular. He said he believes critical theory to have done social harm. You observe that he says there are ideas present in society that cause social harm. Then you say this means we need critical theory to examine such damage(as OP said is the result of critical theory).
  - wwweston 4y ago
    That's actually not what I said, unless any socially critical examination does in fact meet the definition of "critical theory"... And in fact, no one here knows what the commentor means by that phrase, much less how it's ostensibly done damage, which would be necessary in order to change their mind as invited.
- badpun 4y ago
  > Because it also sounds like some kind of critical theory... What's the "theory" exactly? It just sounds like common sense.
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