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I just want some front of package labelling. It's so hard to find drinks, portable snacks, and similar that are in the 3-8% sugar range with no artificial swee

I just want some front of package labelling. It's so hard to find drinks, portable snacks, and similar that are in the 3-8% sugar range with no artificial sweetener to make them inedibly sweet. You finally find one and a few weeks later the sugar doubles or it is replaced with 5x the sweetness in erithrotol Just x g of sugar, and y equivalent grams of sweetener on the front in a standard format.

dehrmann 4y ago
What you're looking for is rare. It's basically coconut water.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  Drinks like iced teas or watered down fruit drink or 'vitamin water' around that level were common in australia, but one by one are going from being the less cloyingly sweet options to being the most via other sweeteners. Usually one ariund the 5% sugar range will get extremely popular because it is actually slightly different, then get bought out or price dumped out of existence by coca cola followed by being focuse grouped into being exactly the same as all the others and falling into obscurity. There's usually one or two items on the muesli/nut/cake bar shelf, but you have to read the nutrition info for half of them every time to find it.
41b696ef1113 4y ago
What is a y equivalent gram of sweetener? A cursory look says a 12oz Coke Cola has 39grams of sugar while a Diet Coke has 0.2 grams of aspartame. How would you like it to be labelled?
- Someone 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame: “Aspartame is an artificial non-saccharide sweetener 200 times sweeter than sucrose” ⇒ I expect they would like to see something like “39 REAL”, respectively “40 ARTIFICIAL” on the label. Of course there’s a can of worms in that there are multiple ‘real’ sugars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar) and producers will try to talk down that 200, but I think that’s solvable. What’s less solvable is that producers will talk down the unit size used to compute the amount of sugar, just as they do with the unit size used to compute the number of calories. Alternatively, this could be shown as a sweetness rating with “x% artificial” added, or just as a sweetness rating alongside the existing ‘calories’ rating.
  - Schroedingersat 4y ago
    Unit size should be per 100g Talking down the 200 for asparteme is fine as long as the ratio is always the same for asparteme
  - Schroedingersat 4y ago
    > Of course there’s a can of worms in that there are multiple ‘real’ sugars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar) and producers will try to talk down that 200, but I think that’s solvable. Total grams of sugar per 100 and total sweeteners equivalent to y grams of sucrose per 100 when both are dissolved in water would suffice.
    - Someone 4y ago
      That allows comparing relative sweetness of drinks, but runs the risk of consumers, seeing “1g per 100ml”, will say “there’s only 1g of sugar in this drink” and then gulp down a bottle of the stuff. If the typical consumer drinks the stuff in bottle sizes, maybe the dietary information on the bottle should use ‘per bottle’.
      - Schroedingersat 4y ago
        That's the kind of idiotic logic that leads to a 600ml bottle or a 60g bag of chips being '2 servings'. The relevant question is 'how sugary is this substance'. With a secindary question of 'how sweet is it' to set expectations for people who want somet=ing sweet or peoplewho don't. Give people the basic level of respect to decide how much they have after that.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  Put a 11g/100g or whatever it works out to on both of them (or some closeish but standardized ratio for the asparteme if it doesn't work out exact).
akira2501 4y ago
I just gave up. I juice my own lemons, limes and grapefruit and mix each with seltzer water for really tasty beverages. Bananas, apricots, and home made trail mix cover the snacks. If you use a nutrition site and work with what you might have in bulk in a nearby store, you can make some very balanced snacks, and you're entirely in control of the portions. This all takes very little time. I'm honestly mad it took me 40 years to just do this instead of buying "premade" anything.
atdrummond 4y ago
United Sodas are 30 kcal per can for what it’s worth and pretty delicious. They’re just out of stock a lot. (https://unitedsodas.com/ https://unitedsodas.com/)
koheripbal 4y ago
How hard is it to turn the package around?

dehrmann 4y ago

What you're looking for is rare. It's basically coconut water.

Schroedingersat 4y ago
Drinks like iced teas or watered down fruit drink or 'vitamin water' around that level were common in australia, but one by one are going from being the less cloyingly sweet options to being the most via other sweeteners. Usually one ariund the 5% sugar range will get extremely popular because it is actually slightly different, then get bought out or price dumped out of existence by coca cola followed by being focuse grouped into being exactly the same as all the others and falling into obscurity. There's usually one or two items on the muesli/nut/cake bar shelf, but you have to read the nutrition info for half of them every time to find it.

41b696ef1113 4y ago

What is a y equivalent gram of sweetener? A cursory look says a 12oz Coke Cola has 39grams of sugar while a Diet Coke has 0.2 grams of aspartame. How would you like it to be labelled?

Someone 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame: “Aspartame is an artificial non-saccharide sweetener 200 times sweeter than sucrose” ⇒ I expect they would like to see something like “39 REAL”, respectively “40 ARTIFICIAL” on the label. Of course there’s a can of worms in that there are multiple ‘real’ sugars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar) and producers will try to talk down that 200, but I think that’s solvable. What’s less solvable is that producers will talk down the unit size used to compute the amount of sugar, just as they do with the unit size used to compute the number of calories. Alternatively, this could be shown as a sweetness rating with “x% artificial” added, or just as a sweetness rating alongside the existing ‘calories’ rating.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  Unit size should be per 100g Talking down the 200 for asparteme is fine as long as the ratio is always the same for asparteme
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  > Of course there’s a can of worms in that there are multiple ‘real’ sugars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar) and producers will try to talk down that 200, but I think that’s solvable. Total grams of sugar per 100 and total sweeteners equivalent to y grams of sucrose per 100 when both are dissolved in water would suffice.
  - Someone 4y ago
    That allows comparing relative sweetness of drinks, but runs the risk of consumers, seeing “1g per 100ml”, will say “there’s only 1g of sugar in this drink” and then gulp down a bottle of the stuff. If the typical consumer drinks the stuff in bottle sizes, maybe the dietary information on the bottle should use ‘per bottle’.
    - Schroedingersat 4y ago
      That's the kind of idiotic logic that leads to a 600ml bottle or a 60g bag of chips being '2 servings'. The relevant question is 'how sugary is this substance'. With a secindary question of 'how sweet is it' to set expectations for people who want somet=ing sweet or peoplewho don't. Give people the basic level of respect to decide how much they have after that.
Schroedingersat 4y ago
Put a 11g/100g or whatever it works out to on both of them (or some closeish but standardized ratio for the asparteme if it doesn't work out exact).

akira2501 4y ago

I just gave up. I juice my own lemons, limes and grapefruit and mix each with seltzer water for really tasty beverages. Bananas, apricots, and home made trail mix cover the snacks. If you use a nutrition site and work with what you might have in bulk in a nearby store, you can make some very balanced snacks, and you're entirely in control of the portions. This all takes very little time. I'm honestly mad it took me 40 years to just do this instead of buying "premade" anything.

atdrummond 4y ago

United Sodas are 30 kcal per can for what it’s worth and pretty delicious. They’re just out of stock a lot. (https://unitedsodas.com/ https://unitedsodas.com/)

koheripbal 4y ago

How hard is it to turn the package around?