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> COVID was never found in any animal from the Huanan market Seems pretty straightforward to me. The Chinese said it came from a market, but never found a sing

by tharne 4y ago

> COVID was never found in any animal from the Huanan market Seems pretty straightforward to me. The Chinese said it came from a market, but never found a single animal in that market with COVID.

igouy 4y ago
And the question I asked someone else was — What would you accept as evidence of "no lab involvement"?
- seer-zig 4y ago
  Not the poster you're responding to, but a start is to allow external investigation into the labs by a third party.
  - igouy 4y ago
    The only way that could resolve these questions is if evidence of lab involvement was found. Not finding such evidence has WithinReason saying "There is also no evidence that the epidemic had no lab involvement." one cannot prove that ghosts do not exist
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - seer-zig 4y ago
      There is enough reason to suspect something is going on though, especially that the CCP is known to lie and cover up.
      - igouy 4y ago
        > … something is going on… Something not very mysterious — 2022 "Wildlife trade is likely the source of SARS-CoV-2" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8384 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8384 2003 "Asymptomatic animal traders prove positive for SARS virus" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1140695/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1140695/ ---- The scary part is that there's every reason to expect this to happen again and again.
igouy 4y ago
"Trump says that 'if we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases' of the coronavirus." Apparently "No reports are known to be available for SARS-CoV-2 test results from these mammals at the Huanan market" and "we do not have access to any live animal samples from relevant species" and "The animals on these farms (nearly 1 million) were rapidly released, sold, or killed in early 2020 … apparently without testing for SARS-CoV-2 … Live animals sold at the market … were apparently not sampled either." https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715

by tharne 4y ago

> COVID was never found in any animal from the Huanan market Seems pretty straightforward to me. The Chinese said it came from a market, but never found a single animal in that market with COVID.

igouy 4y ago

And the question I asked someone else was — What would you accept as evidence of "no lab involvement"?

seer-zig 4y ago
Not the poster you're responding to, but a start is to allow external investigation into the labs by a third party.
- igouy 4y ago
  The only way that could resolve these questions is if evidence of lab involvement was found. Not finding such evidence has WithinReason saying "There is also no evidence that the epidemic had no lab involvement." one cannot prove that ghosts do not exist
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - seer-zig 4y ago
    There is enough reason to suspect something is going on though, especially that the CCP is known to lie and cover up.
    - igouy 4y ago
      > … something is going on… Something not very mysterious — 2022 "Wildlife trade is likely the source of SARS-CoV-2" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8384 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8384 2003 "Asymptomatic animal traders prove positive for SARS virus" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1140695/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1140695/ ---- The scary part is that there's every reason to expect this to happen again and again.

igouy 4y ago

"Trump says that 'if we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases' of the coronavirus." Apparently "No reports are known to be available for SARS-CoV-2 test results from these mammals at the Huanan market" and "we do not have access to any live animal samples from relevant species" and "The animals on these farms (nearly 1 million) were rapidly released, sold, or killed in early 2020 … apparently without testing for SARS-CoV-2 … Live animals sold at the market … were apparently not sampled either." https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715