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Cheating software is silly. Seems simpler to force someone to a secure location with a trusted proctor. This can and should be shared amongst all users of this

Cheating software is silly. Seems simpler to force someone to a secure location with a trusted proctor. This can and should be shared amongst all users of this and costs amortized appropriately.

VoidWhisperer 4y ago
For things like the SATs/ACTs in the US, this used to be the case. I think it still is, but less 'important' tests (read: probably in-school tests and such) were moved remotely because of covid and might be stuck in a kind of limbo now
daurnimator 4y ago
While I don't disagree, a secure location with a trusted proctor is not simple or easy for all cases: students may be studying remotely/at home, which could be in a rural area with no accessible proctoring, or internationally with no trusted proctoring. And that is not always due to their own wishes: covid lockdowns, unavailability of international flights or other governmental restrictions may be keeping them there.
- thewebcount 4y ago
  Not to mention people with disabilities.
ceejayoz 4y ago
https://www.economist.com/asia/2022/05/26/indias-exams-are-plagued-by-cheating https://www.economist.com/asia/2022/05/26/indias-exams-are-p... > Yet even as officials come up with novel ideas, so do the cheats. In February, a medical student at Mahatma Gandhi Memorial College in Indore, a small city, was caught with a skin-coloured Bluetooth device surgically implanted in his ear. A phone linked to the device was sewn into a secret trouser pocket. Last year, ten students taking a trainee-teacher exam were arrested for attempting to use Bluetooth gadgets concealed in the soles of their flip-flops. At least 25 students had bought such footwear from a gang for 600,000 rupees ($7,700) a pair. It is often mandatory for students to remove shoes and socks before exams. Cheaters get pretty clever.
- bhaney 4y ago
  I don't think cheat-detecting software like Proctorio could catch any of these schemes either
- mannykannot 4y ago
  For the most part, it is not the cheaters in these cases demonstrating cleverness; it's those who are selling the means and methods.
  - tsol 4y ago
    The only way to win is to not play, but to instead invent cheating decides for other players so that you can profit without risk.
CamperBob2 4y ago
Or just instruct the student to go to a location chosen at random from a list of nearby cooperating venues -- schools, churches, office buildings, whatever -- where they won't have had the chance to prepare any elaborate cheating schemes. That would represent a good compromise between an on-site proctor and allowing the student full control over the testing environment.

Cheating software is silly. Seems simpler to force someone to a secure location with a trusted proctor. This can and should be shared amongst all users of this and costs amortized appropriately.

VoidWhisperer 4y ago

For things like the SATs/ACTs in the US, this used to be the case. I think it still is, but less 'important' tests (read: probably in-school tests and such) were moved remotely because of covid and might be stuck in a kind of limbo now

daurnimator 4y ago

While I don't disagree, a secure location with a trusted proctor is not simple or easy for all cases: students may be studying remotely/at home, which could be in a rural area with no accessible proctoring, or internationally with no trusted proctoring. And that is not always due to their own wishes: covid lockdowns, unavailability of international flights or other governmental restrictions may be keeping them there.

thewebcount 4y ago
Not to mention people with disabilities.

ceejayoz 4y ago

https://www.economist.com/asia/2022/05/26/indias-exams-are-plagued-by-cheating https://www.economist.com/asia/2022/05/26/indias-exams-are-p... > Yet even as officials come up with novel ideas, so do the cheats. In February, a medical student at Mahatma Gandhi Memorial College in Indore, a small city, was caught with a skin-coloured Bluetooth device surgically implanted in his ear. A phone linked to the device was sewn into a secret trouser pocket. Last year, ten students taking a trainee-teacher exam were arrested for attempting to use Bluetooth gadgets concealed in the soles of their flip-flops. At least 25 students had bought such footwear from a gang for 600,000 rupees ($7,700) a pair. It is often mandatory for students to remove shoes and socks before exams. Cheaters get pretty clever.

bhaney 4y ago
I don't think cheat-detecting software like Proctorio could catch any of these schemes either
mannykannot 4y ago
For the most part, it is not the cheaters in these cases demonstrating cleverness; it's those who are selling the means and methods.
- tsol 4y ago
  The only way to win is to not play, but to instead invent cheating decides for other players so that you can profit without risk.

CamperBob2 4y ago

Or just instruct the student to go to a location chosen at random from a list of nearby cooperating venues -- schools, churches, office buildings, whatever -- where they won't have had the chance to prepare any elaborate cheating schemes. That would represent a good compromise between an on-site proctor and allowing the student full control over the testing environment.