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> How about moving the working/middle class from single family homes to apartment complexes and starting using public transportation instead of cars? That would

> How about moving the working/middle class from single family homes to apartment complexes and starting using public transportation instead of cars? That would certainly be more energy efficient than cancelling a few private jet flights. How about we move healthtech CTOs into dungeons deep underground, where no climate control is neccessary; and provide them a single terminal to continue working and a diet of 2000 kcal/day of the cheapest, most climate friendly vegan food? No spices -- too many food miles. [The parent poster describes themselves as a "Healthtech CTO, entrepreneur, writing code since 1991, living in Berlin, Germany" (https://web.archive.org/web/20220906213159/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=ivan_gammel https://web.archive.org/web/20220906213159/https://news.ycom...)]

ivan_gammel 4y ago
You are certainly overreacting to a proposal to live the same comfortable, affordable and energy-efficient lifestyle as the author. Why are you so triggered by that?
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > ...a proposal to live the same comfortable, affordable and energy-efficient lifestyle as the author. I figured I'd get a response like that. > Why are you so triggered by that? I'm not triggered. You were suggesting to coercively force major lifestyle choices (that just happen to be yours) onto other people (which "how about moving the the working/middle class..." clearly communicates). If you think that's fine, then you should give your empathy some exercise, and think about being treated similarly yourself.
  - ivan_gammel 4y ago
    So you do not understand the difference between oppression and regulation, do you? One thing is to lock up people in Auschwitz, another one is to require them to separate trash or to stop smoking in public places. Building livable cities where people could afford renting or buying a flat for less than $1000 is certainly not oppression. Yes, you cannot put a fancy big grill on a balcony to keep up with Joneses, sorry. But being able to pay the bills and contribute less to a climate change, would be worth it, right?
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > Building livable cities where people could afford renting or buying a flat for less than $1000 is certainly not oppression. You're shifting the goalposts: that's not what you said in your original comment. If that's what you meant, you communicated it very poorly. > Yes, you cannot put a fancy big grill on a balcony to keep up with Joneses, sorry. What's that even supposed to mean? I kind of get the feeling you're reacting to caricatures without understanding that they're distorted.
      - ivan_gammel 4y ago
        Oh, come on. What else would that be? Some crazy stuff like Soviet style forced relocation as a hyperbole for „don’t touch my private jet“? Einfamilienhaussiedlungsverbot?
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ivan_gammel 4y ago

You are certainly overreacting to a proposal to live the same comfortable, affordable and energy-efficient lifestyle as the author. Why are you so triggered by that?

tablespoon 4y ago
> ...a proposal to live the same comfortable, affordable and energy-efficient lifestyle as the author. I figured I'd get a response like that. > Why are you so triggered by that? I'm not triggered. You were suggesting to coercively force major lifestyle choices (that just happen to be yours) onto other people (which "how about moving the the working/middle class..." clearly communicates). If you think that's fine, then you should give your empathy some exercise, and think about being treated similarly yourself.
- ivan_gammel 4y ago
  So you do not understand the difference between oppression and regulation, do you? One thing is to lock up people in Auschwitz, another one is to require them to separate trash or to stop smoking in public places. Building livable cities where people could afford renting or buying a flat for less than $1000 is certainly not oppression. Yes, you cannot put a fancy big grill on a balcony to keep up with Joneses, sorry. But being able to pay the bills and contribute less to a climate change, would be worth it, right?
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > Building livable cities where people could afford renting or buying a flat for less than $1000 is certainly not oppression. You're shifting the goalposts: that's not what you said in your original comment. If that's what you meant, you communicated it very poorly. > Yes, you cannot put a fancy big grill on a balcony to keep up with Joneses, sorry. What's that even supposed to mean? I kind of get the feeling you're reacting to caricatures without understanding that they're distorted.
    - ivan_gammel 4y ago
      Oh, come on. What else would that be? Some crazy stuff like Soviet style forced relocation as a hyperbole for „don’t touch my private jet“? Einfamilienhaussiedlungsverbot?
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