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"Further, the licensing has f-all to do with whether a particular engineer is endangering public safety." This is completely contrary to what every engineer is

"Further, the licensing has f-all to do with whether a particular engineer is endangering public safety." This is completely contrary to what every engineer is taught multiple times before they are licensed. Licensing is essential to the goal of preserving public safety as the profession is self-regulating. This lesson was learned at the cost of human life and I'm not sure what has given the impression that it's some administrative convenience. Inescapably, in applying for a license you confirm that you understand the role of the licensing body and the rules the license is granted under. Marohn got fined because someone registered a complaint that he "held himself out as a professional engineer while he was not licensed" and "falsely represented on his reapplication for licensure that he had not done so". Quite plainly, this isn't some injustice: this is literally the system working as intended -- complaint, assessment, and resolution. As to your point that "they don't exercise this right for years" you are incorrect: about a dozen fines have been assigned in 2022 alone. Do you have experience with professional licensing that suggests the above is inappropriate?

JoeAltmaier 4y ago
This is hopeless. The point I've made repeatedly is, the education is what makes an engineer competent. Not the state of their license. The guy is clearly what was said: not licenced (briefly). He corrected that; they even charged a late fee recognizing he was still licensed but late in paying. The article lists several egregious cases that did not result in a fine. Are those dozen fines in 2022 about people who's fees lapsed? If not, then we're right back where we started: this guy is getting an unreasonable fine for a paperwork issue. Not for endangering the public. Which is the only point I'm making despite the army of strawmen being marshalled.
- ulrashida 4y ago
  "This is hopeless." On this, we agree. You appear to be basing your understanding on the reason.com article and have not read the actual underlying proceedings. He was fined because he lied on his renewal application. There are likely very few examples of this exact issue because most professionals don't behave in this fashion. Seeing as how the article leaves out this salient point, it's fairly clear that the article is not an unbiased source. As for the "strawmen" comment: you're getting direct, personal feedback from someone who does this for a living and has been for over 15 years. My opinion is that my association would have done the same thing, if not more, and would have been correct in doing so. The court involved in this case agrees. If you choose to hand wave it away because it's inconsistent with whatever deeper meaning you have read into, you do you.

JoeAltmaier 4y ago

This is hopeless. The point I've made repeatedly is, the education is what makes an engineer competent. Not the state of their license. The guy is clearly what was said: not licenced (briefly). He corrected that; they even charged a late fee recognizing he was still licensed but late in paying. The article lists several egregious cases that did not result in a fine. Are those dozen fines in 2022 about people who's fees lapsed? If not, then we're right back where we started: this guy is getting an unreasonable fine for a paperwork issue. Not for endangering the public. Which is the only point I'm making despite the army of strawmen being marshalled.

ulrashida 4y ago
"This is hopeless." On this, we agree. You appear to be basing your understanding on the reason.com article and have not read the actual underlying proceedings. He was fined because he lied on his renewal application. There are likely very few examples of this exact issue because most professionals don't behave in this fashion. Seeing as how the article leaves out this salient point, it's fairly clear that the article is not an unbiased source. As for the "strawmen" comment: you're getting direct, personal feedback from someone who does this for a living and has been for over 15 years. My opinion is that my association would have done the same thing, if not more, and would have been correct in doing so. The court involved in this case agrees. If you choose to hand wave it away because it's inconsistent with whatever deeper meaning you have read into, you do you.