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can't you circumvent this by simply posting 50-500k range?

olliej 4y ago
I'm sure you'd be fairly immediately opening yourself up to a lawsuit where you have to demonstrate that you have identical jobs where some employees earn 50k and some earn 500k.
- dominotw 4y ago
  I guess that was an exaggerated example. People with 'software engineer' title in my company make a wide range of salary. Where you fall in that range depends on how well you do in the interview. So what the benefit to job seeker if they post 200k - 500k in salary range.
  - olliej 4y ago
    Every company I've worked at has ranks of engineer so you'd need to collapse those, and then at perf review time your managers would lose the "you're at the top of your rank's salary range". IANAL but I'd also guess it would make discrimination lawsuits easier as if everyone is in one range you can't hide behind "available ranges" for rank as you can currently (despite the promotion between ranks also being discriminatory \o/ ). i.e. imagine your company has rank 1 = 100-150, rank 2 - 150-200, etc. Currently a person of group X is only 50% as likely to be promoted as group Y, but inside each rank salary distribution is equal. So currently if you look at their salary ranges vs ranks it looks fine, but if you remove the rank separation it will immediately pull the various statistics of group X down relative to group Y. Now instead of having to prove that the promotion system is discriminatory they can point to the more directly obvious wage bias. This is not to say that's what happens, and the opacity of employee spread inside the ranges anyway mean that I'm not sure just how much of a difference this will actually make, and as I've said elsewhere tech and finance both having significant non-salary/wage compensation that they aren't required to report.
HWR_14 4y ago
If you collapse your entire job titles to "employee" you mean? There's some rules in place that you have to show you use the range.
- olliej 4y ago
  The bill requires you to provide the labour department with records supporting your claimed ranges upon request - presumably to defeat any nonsense like this, but you'd presumably have to demonstrate that all people were doing the same job which would be a problem for employees vs managers vs execs, etc. The required reporting also means that if you were for example saying that the range for janitors was 50-500k the DoL would be able to turn around and say "none of your janitors are making 500k, why not?".
t-writescode 4y ago
As a potential employee, it's our job to refuse positions like that

I'm sure you'd be fairly immediately opening yourself up to a lawsuit where you have to demonstrate that you have identical jobs where some employees earn 50k and some earn 500k.

dominotw 4y ago
I guess that was an exaggerated example. People with 'software engineer' title in my company make a wide range of salary. Where you fall in that range depends on how well you do in the interview. So what the benefit to job seeker if they post 200k - 500k in salary range.
- olliej 4y ago
  Every company I've worked at has ranks of engineer so you'd need to collapse those, and then at perf review time your managers would lose the "you're at the top of your rank's salary range". IANAL but I'd also guess it would make discrimination lawsuits easier as if everyone is in one range you can't hide behind "available ranges" for rank as you can currently (despite the promotion between ranks also being discriminatory \o/ ). i.e. imagine your company has rank 1 = 100-150, rank 2 - 150-200, etc. Currently a person of group X is only 50% as likely to be promoted as group Y, but inside each rank salary distribution is equal. So currently if you look at their salary ranges vs ranks it looks fine, but if you remove the rank separation it will immediately pull the various statistics of group X down relative to group Y. Now instead of having to prove that the promotion system is discriminatory they can point to the more directly obvious wage bias. This is not to say that's what happens, and the opacity of employee spread inside the ranges anyway mean that I'm not sure just how much of a difference this will actually make, and as I've said elsewhere tech and finance both having significant non-salary/wage compensation that they aren't required to report.

HWR_14 4y ago

If you collapse your entire job titles to "employee" you mean? There's some rules in place that you have to show you use the range.

olliej 4y ago
The bill requires you to provide the labour department with records supporting your claimed ranges upon request - presumably to defeat any nonsense like this, but you'd presumably have to demonstrate that all people were doing the same job which would be a problem for employees vs managers vs execs, etc. The required reporting also means that if you were for example saying that the range for janitors was 50-500k the DoL would be able to turn around and say "none of your janitors are making 500k, why not?".

t-writescode 4y ago

As a potential employee, it's our job to refuse positions like that