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They are not Russian taxpayers. Also half of the team is Ukrainian. And the main issue is the silence from PayPal and complete lack of communication.
by James_Kirk 4y ago
They are not Russian taxpayers. Also half of the team is Ukrainian.
And the main issue is the silence from PayPal and complete lack of communication.
- justsomehnguy 4y agoI would say what the main issue here is what PayPal allowed them to establish a business account (June 7th) and happily took money from their customers. Now both the company AND it's customers are fuc^W scammed out of their money. Seems like Stripe doesn't have a problem with them (because they are incorporated in Delaware, not in Russia?)
- James_Kirk 4y agoThey have been US company long before the war. You are just saying they are affiliated with Russia just because they have many Russian employees? That's right?
- millzlane 4y agoWasn't the company started by a Native Russian? I remember the kickstarter. https://www.linkedin.com/in/zhovner https://www.linkedin.com/in/zhovner
- James_Kirk 4y agoSo was Google by Sergey Brin, who was born in Russia, so what? :)
- millzlane 4y agoHe was not a Russian citizen living in Russia during that time. So there is a huge difference.
- James_Kirk 4y agoSo what's your point then? Everything made by a Russian is bad or what? :)
- nora-puchreiner 4y agoFlipperzero could have shown more Ukrainians than Russians, but... America could side with the Russians in the conflict and discount the Ukrainians. so "Everything made by Americans are bad and unreliable for foreign users"
- ergocoder 4y agoIt's a US sanction. Yes, it would be bad for the employee who makes the decision that this account isn't within the sanction's scope. If US government disagrees, the employee will likely go to jail. It's expected for companies to overdo the sanction considering that under-doing could get employees a long jail time. Plus, Paypal employees get paid the same whether or not Flipper Zero is within the sanction's scope.
- James_Kirk 4y agoUS sanction against what? Against USA company? Do you know how sanctions work? What kind of sanction is being violated in your opinion?
- ergocoder 4y agoAre these rhetorical or you genuinely don't know? > What kind of sanction is being violated in your opinion? You are missing the main point. What if you are an employee and make a wrong judgement call? The punishment is you going to jail for a long time. It is safer to overdo the sanction. You don't get paid more either way, and there is no chance of you going to jail.
- COMMENT___ 4y agoAre there any official sanctions that affect non-Russian companies with Russian-born founders and employees?
- blinkerdisc 4y ago
- margiani 4y agoNope, Pavel is Ukrainian from Odessa region. He's Odessa National Polytechnic University alumnus, you can see it in his LinkedIn Profile.
- justsomehnguy 4y ago> You are just saying they are affiliated with Russia And where did I said that?
- James_Kirk 4y agoSorry, I misinterpreted your message
- Anon659 4y agoNo, because they have an office in Moscow and the money ends up going to Russia.
- nora-puchreiner 4y agoThey had a similar issue with Stripe few months ago which was partly resolved (Stripe unblocked 70% of money which was enough to them to go on with production).
- filoleg 4y agoThe team is ethnically split between russian and ukrainian, but that's about it. The company was set up as a non-russian entity way before the war, which is why sanctions didn't cause them much problem when they started shipping the product. Shipping was done through Hong Kong, the manufacturing process (which they went into crazy details about in their blog posts) is done in China. I don't think the whole "they are a russian company" makes much sense as an argument here. For one, it would he helpful if Paypal actually tried explaining their reasoning, instead of staying silent.