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Its just wild that in the last decades of such abundance very little resources are put towards the practical aspects of getting people off fossil fuels - they r

Its just wild that in the last decades of such abundance very little resources are put towards the practical aspects of getting people off fossil fuels - they really just preach from their podium and nothing more - and now in the early months leading into the absolute winter of hell for hundreds of millions in Europe they decide to use this kind of rhetoric at the podium (god help us if anyone or any government takes the rhetoric seriously)

hwillis 4y ago
> and now in the early months leading into the absolute winter of hell for hundreds of millions in Europe they decide to use this kind of rhetoric at the podium You're referring to natural gas shortages? If you used the natural gas in europe to generate electricity instead of heat, it would go 3.6x farther with heat pumps. So your rhetoric really seems to ring hollow.
- yetanotherloser 4y ago
  3.6x, given 50% efficient generation and transmission, would require a heat pump COP about 7.2. Unfortunately real heat pump COPs are 3 or less, meaning the gas goes 1.5x further or less. This is still great (since it saves gas and there are other sources of electric) but unfortunately it's really high monetary cost (since the electric costs about 3x the gas, so even if the heat pump were free, it costs twice as much to run; electric prices follow gas prices closely so they don't get cheaper when gas runs short). So it's a hard sell. I think they're clever devices, I like them, I will probably buy one. But they're no panacea.
yetanotherloser 4y ago
- tastyfreeze 4y ago
  Do you keep your home at 12 degrees(53.6F) in the winter? Or are you just another boiled idiot?
  - yetanotherloser 4y ago
    It gets down to about four or five in bedrooms, six in the room I work in, 8 to 10 in rooms closer to the kitchen. Been doing this for years, no ill effects.
    - nightski 4y ago
      I love the cold and winter. I'll run outside when it is -30F with the proper clothing. But damn, we keep our house at 60F in the winter and I often wear a winter hat inside. 39F in the house is nuts. Not to mention you have to be careful not to freeze your pipes.
    - snapplebobapple 4y ago
      I would rather just burn the gas and keep the house at 17 so I can walk around wearing my preferred house garb of just an old housecoat with no belt. My extremities excluding my hands and feet get too cold below 17.
      - yetanotherloser 4y ago
        If your garb is JUST an unbelted housecoat there is indeed a risk of cold extremities and not just hands and feet. Now pardon me while I clean the "mental images" screen. I should probably have caveated my remarks with "if appropriately dressed"!
        snapplebobapple 4y ago
        Technically I said extremities excluding my hands and feet because my hands and feet don't get cold. My nose does. What did you think I was talking about?
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > You're insane... Now we waste gas just to boil idiots because all of a sudden they feel entitled to be boiled, then we bankrupt nations to subsidise this because heaven forbid anyone have to put their jacket on. You're doing a great job reinforcing my opposition to this regulation. Just thought I'd let you know.

hwillis 4y ago

> and now in the early months leading into the absolute winter of hell for hundreds of millions in Europe they decide to use this kind of rhetoric at the podium You're referring to natural gas shortages? If you used the natural gas in europe to generate electricity instead of heat, it would go 3.6x farther with heat pumps. So your rhetoric really seems to ring hollow.

yetanotherloser 4y ago
3.6x, given 50% efficient generation and transmission, would require a heat pump COP about 7.2. Unfortunately real heat pump COPs are 3 or less, meaning the gas goes 1.5x further or less. This is still great (since it saves gas and there are other sources of electric) but unfortunately it's really high monetary cost (since the electric costs about 3x the gas, so even if the heat pump were free, it costs twice as much to run; electric prices follow gas prices closely so they don't get cheaper when gas runs short). So it's a hard sell. I think they're clever devices, I like them, I will probably buy one. But they're no panacea.

yetanotherloser 4y ago

tastyfreeze 4y ago
Do you keep your home at 12 degrees(53.6F) in the winter? Or are you just another boiled idiot?
- yetanotherloser 4y ago
  It gets down to about four or five in bedrooms, six in the room I work in, 8 to 10 in rooms closer to the kitchen. Been doing this for years, no ill effects.
  - nightski 4y ago
    I love the cold and winter. I'll run outside when it is -30F with the proper clothing. But damn, we keep our house at 60F in the winter and I often wear a winter hat inside. 39F in the house is nuts. Not to mention you have to be careful not to freeze your pipes.
  - snapplebobapple 4y ago
    I would rather just burn the gas and keep the house at 17 so I can walk around wearing my preferred house garb of just an old housecoat with no belt. My extremities excluding my hands and feet get too cold below 17.
    - yetanotherloser 4y ago
      If your garb is JUST an unbelted housecoat there is indeed a risk of cold extremities and not just hands and feet. Now pardon me while I clean the "mental images" screen. I should probably have caveated my remarks with "if appropriately dressed"!
      - snapplebobapple 4y ago
        Technically I said extremities excluding my hands and feet because my hands and feet don't get cold. My nose does. What did you think I was talking about?
tablespoon 4y ago
> You're insane... Now we waste gas just to boil idiots because all of a sudden they feel entitled to be boiled, then we bankrupt nations to subsidise this because heaven forbid anyone have to put their jacket on. You're doing a great job reinforcing my opposition to this regulation. Just thought I'd let you know.