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This is a long way of saying that you're ok with the government censoring which packets people send.

stale2002 4y ago
Can you answer the question? Why do you keep avoiding this idea of authoritarian governments DDoSing human rights organizations? > that you're ok with the government censoring which packets people send. So, if an authoritarian government, tried to target a gay rights organization, yes I would be ok with a different government protecting this targeted minority from DDoS attacks. This is because I do not want important human rights organizations, such as ones that protect gay people from being oppressed, from being taken off the internet by bad people. Do you see how I just directly addressed the question, by saying that yes I am in favor of the government protecting, for example, gay rights organizations, from being DDoSed? Do you really oppose this protection? Would you support an authoritarian government, taking down a gay rights organization?
fluoridation 4y ago
Are you still making this nonsense argument? What idea is performing a DoS attack expressing?
- stale2002 4y ago
  I think the answer is because they simply support attacking and targeting human rights organizations, such as gay rights organizations, or ones that protect targeted minorities. I tried to get them to talk about this issue, and they basically admitted that they support removing, for example, gay right organizations from the internet, via DDoS attacks. Because apparently protecting gay rights organizations would infringe on their free speech to target and remove those organizations from the internet.
  - fluoridation 4y ago
    Well, yes, it would indeed infringe upon such a right (if it existed), but this argument can be applied to any action. The fact that murder is illegal infringes upon my natural right to shoot kelseyfrog in the face. If they want to argue for total lawlessness I won't stop them, but it would be less disingenuous if they would stop beating around the bush.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  The content of the idea is superfluous. The point is that if you give the government the ability to tell people what packets they can and cannot send, then you're implicitly trusting that they won't abuse this power in the future and decide that there are other things people can and cannot send.
  - fluoridation 4y ago
    You're avoiding the question. Your claim is that making DDoS attacks illegal infringes upon your right to freedom of speech. My question to you is, since freedom of speech is the freedom to express ideas, what idea does performing a DDoS attack express?

stale2002 4y ago

Can you answer the question? Why do you keep avoiding this idea of authoritarian governments DDoSing human rights organizations? > that you're ok with the government censoring which packets people send. So, if an authoritarian government, tried to target a gay rights organization, yes I would be ok with a different government protecting this targeted minority from DDoS attacks. This is because I do not want important human rights organizations, such as ones that protect gay people from being oppressed, from being taken off the internet by bad people. Do you see how I just directly addressed the question, by saying that yes I am in favor of the government protecting, for example, gay rights organizations, from being DDoSed? Do you really oppose this protection? Would you support an authoritarian government, taking down a gay rights organization?

fluoridation 4y ago

Are you still making this nonsense argument? What idea is performing a DoS attack expressing?

stale2002 4y ago
I think the answer is because they simply support attacking and targeting human rights organizations, such as gay rights organizations, or ones that protect targeted minorities. I tried to get them to talk about this issue, and they basically admitted that they support removing, for example, gay right organizations from the internet, via DDoS attacks. Because apparently protecting gay rights organizations would infringe on their free speech to target and remove those organizations from the internet.
- fluoridation 4y ago
  Well, yes, it would indeed infringe upon such a right (if it existed), but this argument can be applied to any action. The fact that murder is illegal infringes upon my natural right to shoot kelseyfrog in the face. If they want to argue for total lawlessness I won't stop them, but it would be less disingenuous if they would stop beating around the bush.
kelseyfrog 4y ago
The content of the idea is superfluous. The point is that if you give the government the ability to tell people what packets they can and cannot send, then you're implicitly trusting that they won't abuse this power in the future and decide that there are other things people can and cannot send.
- fluoridation 4y ago
  You're avoiding the question. Your claim is that making DDoS attacks illegal infringes upon your right to freedom of speech. My question to you is, since freedom of speech is the freedom to express ideas, what idea does performing a DDoS attack express?