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Very sadly many of France's best treasures are lost mostly due to stupidity. Here are a few: - Les Halles de Baltard - Château de Saint-Cloud - Tuileries Pal

Very sadly many of France's best treasures are lost mostly due to stupidity. Here are a few: - Les Halles de Baltard - Château de Saint-Cloud - Tuileries Palace

Bayart 4y ago
I wouldn't call them our best treasures. La Grande Chartreuse on the other side...
pygy_ 4y ago
Richelieu had unused forts filled with gunpowder and blown up. I suppose it was the most efficient way to get the stones back to build other stuff. The Regneville castle partially survived the ordeal... https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch%C3%A2teau+De+Regn%C3%A9ville/@49.0073887,-1.5532618,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOz3HKOTP0BBwL9IS9qR4dH37o_pDt0DvvMcjqP!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOz3HKOTP0BBwL9IS9qR4dH37o_pDt0DvvMcjqP%3Dw203-h152-k-no!7i4128!8i3096!4m5!3m4!1s0x480c0d6baec66677:0xcbafcbe36eb2d9f3!8m2!3d49.0074933!4d-1.553506 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch%C3%A2teau+De+Regn%C3%A9... https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch%C3%A2teau+De+Regn%C3%A9ville/@49.0073987,-1.5533071,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOwx95RHmn16KbxEUih1mtRSsNYn34gHkof7HNV!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOwx95RHmn16KbxEUih1mtRSsNYn34gHkof7HNV%3Dw203-h152-k-no!7i3968!8i2976!4m5!3m4!1s0x480c0d6baec66677:0xcbafcbe36eb2d9f3!8m2!3d49.0074933!4d-1.553506 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch%C3%A2teau+De+Regn%C3%A9...
Mayeul 4y ago
Cluny III
WastingMyTime89 4y ago
Burning the Tuileries was an intentional revolutionary gesture. There is no stupidity involved here. Les Halles Baltard were just a fairly traditional covered market. Château de Saint-Cloud was destroyed during the Franco-Prussian War. I really wish people spent less time fetishising old ruins and more time actually building a liveable city. Paris would be so much nicer. Might be even more relevant at the national level actually. France really is a dying country.
- julienchastang 4y ago
  > I really wish people spent less time fetishising old ruins Somewhat of a valid statement, but the loss of historical patrimony is really a pity. Les Halles de Baltard was most definitely more than a traditional covered market. Paris is a livable city assuming you can find and afford a place to live. > France really is a dying country. Funny. After having recently returned to the US from a stay in France, I had the opposite impression. France has functioning infrastructure and reasonable prices, the US has...
  - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
    > reasonable prices You were fooled by your American salary and the euro-dollar parity. Prices are extremely high compared to what people earn.
    - julienchastang 4y ago
      Fair point.
- belval 4y ago
  > I really wish people spent less time fetishising old ruins and more time actually building a liveable city. Paris would be so much nicer. Might be even more relevant at the national level actually. France really is a dying country. 8% of their GDP is tourism, so the old ruins are actually important. Now to address your real point, I just came back from Paris and if anything it's a very good example of positive "human-scale" urbanization. Sure they don't have skyscrapers, but every building is about 6 stories, which is great for density. You can take the RER/Metro/Train to go basically anywhere. For shorter travels you have a great network of buses that isn't (compared to Canada and most likely the US) snubbed by wealthy people so you don't feel like you'll get stabbed by some homeless person when you climb onboard. > France really is a dying country On that point we agree actually, but I really don't see how their issue is bad urbanism.
  - WastingMyTime89 4y ago

Very sadly many of France's best treasures are lost mostly due to stupidity. Here are a few: - Les Halles de Baltard - Château de Saint-Cloud - Tuileries Palace

Bayart 4y ago

I wouldn't call them our best treasures. La Grande Chartreuse on the other side...

pygy_ 4y ago

Richelieu had unused forts filled with gunpowder and blown up. I suppose it was the most efficient way to get the stones back to build other stuff. The Regneville castle partially survived the ordeal... https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch%C3%A2teau+De+Regn%C3%A9ville/@49.0073887,-1.5532618,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOz3HKOTP0BBwL9IS9qR4dH37o_pDt0DvvMcjqP!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOz3HKOTP0BBwL9IS9qR4dH37o_pDt0DvvMcjqP%3Dw203-h152-k-no!7i4128!8i3096!4m5!3m4!1s0x480c0d6baec66677:0xcbafcbe36eb2d9f3!8m2!3d49.0074933!4d-1.553506 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch%C3%A2teau+De+Regn%C3%A9... https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch%C3%A2teau+De+Regn%C3%A9ville/@49.0073987,-1.5533071,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOwx95RHmn16KbxEUih1mtRSsNYn34gHkof7HNV!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOwx95RHmn16KbxEUih1mtRSsNYn34gHkof7HNV%3Dw203-h152-k-no!7i3968!8i2976!4m5!3m4!1s0x480c0d6baec66677:0xcbafcbe36eb2d9f3!8m2!3d49.0074933!4d-1.553506 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch%C3%A2teau+De+Regn%C3%A9...

Mayeul 4y ago

Cluny III

WastingMyTime89 4y ago

Burning the Tuileries was an intentional revolutionary gesture. There is no stupidity involved here. Les Halles Baltard were just a fairly traditional covered market. Château de Saint-Cloud was destroyed during the Franco-Prussian War. I really wish people spent less time fetishising old ruins and more time actually building a liveable city. Paris would be so much nicer. Might be even more relevant at the national level actually. France really is a dying country.

julienchastang 4y ago
> I really wish people spent less time fetishising old ruins Somewhat of a valid statement, but the loss of historical patrimony is really a pity. Les Halles de Baltard was most definitely more than a traditional covered market. Paris is a livable city assuming you can find and afford a place to live. > France really is a dying country. Funny. After having recently returned to the US from a stay in France, I had the opposite impression. France has functioning infrastructure and reasonable prices, the US has...
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  > reasonable prices You were fooled by your American salary and the euro-dollar parity. Prices are extremely high compared to what people earn.
  - julienchastang 4y ago
    Fair point.
belval 4y ago
> I really wish people spent less time fetishising old ruins and more time actually building a liveable city. Paris would be so much nicer. Might be even more relevant at the national level actually. France really is a dying country. 8% of their GDP is tourism, so the old ruins are actually important. Now to address your real point, I just came back from Paris and if anything it's a very good example of positive "human-scale" urbanization. Sure they don't have skyscrapers, but every building is about 6 stories, which is great for density. You can take the RER/Metro/Train to go basically anywhere. For shorter travels you have a great network of buses that isn't (compared to Canada and most likely the US) snubbed by wealthy people so you don't feel like you'll get stabbed by some homeless person when you climb onboard. > France really is a dying country On that point we agree actually, but I really don't see how their issue is bad urbanism.
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago