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It’s not even remotely the same. I might fail to get a hole-in-one at mini golf, but the stakes of trying are pretty much zero. Anyone who either has no depen

It’s not even remotely the same. I might fail to get a hole-in-one at mini golf, but the stakes of trying are pretty much zero. Anyone who either has no dependents or comes from enough money that it doesn’t matter can’t begin to relate to this.

badpun 4y ago
The stakes of failing at a startup when having no dependands are not "pretty much zero". It sucks to kill yourself for a couple of years and have nothing to show for it, especially if you know that, for all that time, you could've coasted in some job and accumulated a nice sum.
- em-bee 4y ago
  if all you care about is money, sure. but if i hire you i care about your experience, not the money you already accumulated. and if your partner only cares about your money, find a better partner. spending a few years gaining experience instead of earning money is not nothing to show for. on the contrary. it's the more valuable experience for your future. money is not everything.
  - badpun 4y ago
    Most people work for money... And you might be getting more valuable experience in a job than being a generalist who runs the startup (the market doesn't need many people like this).
em-bee 4y ago
ok, i see what you are getting at. fear of failure in itself vs actual risk of loosing your savings.
- highwaylights 4y ago
  For most people it’s actual risk of rendering your children homeless.
  - em-bee 4y ago
    that's pretty much limited to the united states though.
    - highwaylights 4y ago
      It's really not, I'm not sure why you'd think that. Even then, I imagine there's a lot of countries in the world where running out of money would mean landing in a safety net that still involves relocating to the the most basic accommodation available that may be neither safe nor close to any friends and/or family.
      - em-bee 4y ago
        i can only speak about the countries that i know, but no, generally people are not forced out of their homes into the most basic accommodation available. at worst, they may be asked to move into a smaller apartment in the same area, or rent out some of the rooms to supplement the cost of the rent. they are also not uprooted, because family support and social ties are considered important (and better off relatives can be asked to help). especially when there are children, the social environment must be preserved. uprooting people would be considered inhumane. also most european cities generally do not have unsafe neighborhoods. that's really an american thing. (and in third world countries who don't have such a safety net anyways) this needs verification, but i speculate that those countries that actually have a safety net are doing this right, and other countries don't do much at all.

badpun 4y ago

The stakes of failing at a startup when having no dependands are not "pretty much zero". It sucks to kill yourself for a couple of years and have nothing to show for it, especially if you know that, for all that time, you could've coasted in some job and accumulated a nice sum.

em-bee 4y ago
if all you care about is money, sure. but if i hire you i care about your experience, not the money you already accumulated. and if your partner only cares about your money, find a better partner. spending a few years gaining experience instead of earning money is not nothing to show for. on the contrary. it's the more valuable experience for your future. money is not everything.
- badpun 4y ago
  Most people work for money... And you might be getting more valuable experience in a job than being a generalist who runs the startup (the market doesn't need many people like this).

em-bee 4y ago

ok, i see what you are getting at. fear of failure in itself vs actual risk of loosing your savings.

highwaylights 4y ago
For most people it’s actual risk of rendering your children homeless.
- em-bee 4y ago
  that's pretty much limited to the united states though.
  - highwaylights 4y ago
    It's really not, I'm not sure why you'd think that. Even then, I imagine there's a lot of countries in the world where running out of money would mean landing in a safety net that still involves relocating to the the most basic accommodation available that may be neither safe nor close to any friends and/or family.
    - em-bee 4y ago
      i can only speak about the countries that i know, but no, generally people are not forced out of their homes into the most basic accommodation available. at worst, they may be asked to move into a smaller apartment in the same area, or rent out some of the rooms to supplement the cost of the rent. they are also not uprooted, because family support and social ties are considered important (and better off relatives can be asked to help). especially when there are children, the social environment must be preserved. uprooting people would be considered inhumane. also most european cities generally do not have unsafe neighborhoods. that's really an american thing. (and in third world countries who don't have such a safety net anyways) this needs verification, but i speculate that those countries that actually have a safety net are doing this right, and other countries don't do much at all.