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> I find this a bit condescending. Is it? I moved from ML and Physics research to optimising the sale of imaginary currencies in mobile games, because the pay

> I find this a bit condescending. Is it? I moved from ML and Physics research to optimising the sale of imaginary currencies in mobile games, because the pay and stability is so much better. It's a great shame that academia is terribly paid and an unstable career path in the West. I'd much rather be working on Fusion research or genetic engineering, but that won't pay the mortgage.

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lezojeda 4y ago
>It's a great shame that academia is terribly paid and an unstable career path in the West. Is it better in the East? No loaded question, I genuinely want to know your answer
- nr2x 4y ago
  In my experience, much worse.
- yawnxyz 4y ago
  Weirdly enough, Australia pays researchers, including PhDs and post-docs really well. Must be all that coal money
  - grfn 4y ago
    Postdocs are payed well, but PhDs get around 30k AUD per year, which is quite low.
rhacker 4y ago
I can't imagine ML research getting paid less than fake currencies in mobile games... I mean unless you're making more than $400k?
- nivenkos 4y ago
  Research in Academia... in Europe. I was paid ~30k.
  - dieselgate 4y ago
    A former housemate is Mexican-American and was looking for a post doc and considering both the US and Mexico. He said salaries in Mexico are like 6,000 usd - not that relevant but just another data point. Presumably this is a liveable wage in that area fwiw (he wound up at a Bay Area university instead)
petra 4y ago
If you really seek to contribute can be comforted by knowing that many people would prefer you contributing to bullshit than to advancing the automation that will take their job.
rnd0 4y ago
>> I find this a bit condescending. >Is it? Yes, actually. It is. Personally, I've been reading for 25 years about how "why are people wasting their time on $NICHE instead of contributing to $MAJORPROJECT" -specifically in the open source world. It becomes more and more grating and offensive every year. If you have the ability to choose what you want to work on, then that is what you ought to work on. If you (generic "you") don't have a choice, then you have to do what you have to do and your limitations ought to not limit those who aren't limited or aren't in your situation.
- foogazi 4y ago
  > If you (generic "you") don't have a choice There’s always a choice People choose money, comfort or certainty all the time I don’t think I’ve ever chosen a problem to solve professionally my whole life And you know what? Given the choice, not sure what I’d pick
  - mgh2 4y ago
    > There's always a choice Given that you are in a developed country this may seem so of course...for most people they are just trying to survive https://trendguardian.medium.com/free-will-a-rich-fairy-tale-4fecf8095812 https://trendguardian.medium.com/free-will-a-rich-fairy-tale...

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lezojeda 4y ago

>It's a great shame that academia is terribly paid and an unstable career path in the West. Is it better in the East? No loaded question, I genuinely want to know your answer

nr2x 4y ago
In my experience, much worse.
yawnxyz 4y ago
Weirdly enough, Australia pays researchers, including PhDs and post-docs really well. Must be all that coal money
- grfn 4y ago
  Postdocs are payed well, but PhDs get around 30k AUD per year, which is quite low.

rhacker 4y ago

I can't imagine ML research getting paid less than fake currencies in mobile games... I mean unless you're making more than $400k?

nivenkos 4y ago
Research in Academia... in Europe. I was paid ~30k.
- dieselgate 4y ago
  A former housemate is Mexican-American and was looking for a post doc and considering both the US and Mexico. He said salaries in Mexico are like 6,000 usd - not that relevant but just another data point. Presumably this is a liveable wage in that area fwiw (he wound up at a Bay Area university instead)

petra 4y ago

If you really seek to contribute can be comforted by knowing that many people would prefer you contributing to bullshit than to advancing the automation that will take their job.

rnd0 4y ago

>> I find this a bit condescending. >Is it? Yes, actually. It is. Personally, I've been reading for 25 years about how "why are people wasting their time on $NICHE instead of contributing to $MAJORPROJECT" -specifically in the open source world. It becomes more and more grating and offensive every year. If you have the ability to choose what you want to work on, then that is what you ought to work on. If you (generic "you") don't have a choice, then you have to do what you have to do and your limitations ought to not limit those who aren't limited or aren't in your situation.

foogazi 4y ago
> If you (generic "you") don't have a choice There’s always a choice People choose money, comfort or certainty all the time I don’t think I’ve ever chosen a problem to solve professionally my whole life And you know what? Given the choice, not sure what I’d pick
- mgh2 4y ago
  > There's always a choice Given that you are in a developed country this may seem so of course...for most people they are just trying to survive https://trendguardian.medium.com/free-will-a-rich-fairy-tale-4fecf8095812 https://trendguardian.medium.com/free-will-a-rich-fairy-tale...