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> MindGeek responded to increased pressure from Visa and other companies by immediately deleting 80 percent of its hosted content, approximately 10 million unve

> MindGeek responded to increased pressure from Visa and other companies by immediately deleting 80 percent of its hosted content, approximately 10 million unverified videos. According to a California court, much of that was likely child porn. Much of that 80% of PornHub was "child porn"? Colour me skeptical on that one. They just deleted everything where they couldn't verify it was not child porn, but that's a very different thing. Visa is not law enforcement; if there is evidence of child porn then law enforcement can and should crack down on that. And if there is no evidence ... why should visa do anything? A lot of this is a concentrated effort by evangelical groups what in the past were drooling about things like sex toys or the "sodomite lifestyle" bringing ruin and despair to our society. Not saying there isn't a serious discussion to be had here, but that doesn't mean everyone is acting in good faith or that there isn't a large amount of exaggerated bullshit, too.

richbell 4y ago
> Much of that 80% of PornHub was "child porn"? Colour me skeptical on that one. They just deleted everything where they couldn't verify it was not child porn, but that's a very different thing. You are correct; the court's conclusions are absurd. I think they could make a compelling argument that a significant amount of the deleted content was uploaded without its subject's consent... but to claim that most of it was CSAM is crazy.
_-david-_ 4y ago
>Much of that 80% of PornHub was "child porn"? Colour me skeptical on that one. They just deleted everything where they couldn't verify it was not child porn, but that's a very different thing. Did they actually do that? I thought they only removed videos where the person who uploaded them did not provide evidence that the uploader was over 18. The uplooader may or may not be the person in the video.
- richbell 4y ago
  According to Vice: > PornHub [removed] all videos on its site that weren't uploaded by official content partners or members of its model program https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqjjy/pornhub-suspended-all-unverified-videos-content https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqjjy/pornhub-suspended-all...
  - tsol 4y ago
    So they deleted videos where they couldn't verify the performers age only. Seems reasonable, to be honest. I know women who had their bodies posted on there against their consent and it can be very hard to take down, while it's trivial to be re-uploaded.
    - richbell 4y ago
      > So they deleted videos where they couldn't verify the performers age only. Which is basically all of the "amateur" / non-professionally produced videos. I recall reading that they went from around 5 million videos to 1 million. That said, I think David is right that a verified account doesn't necessarily mean the subjects consented to the video being uploaded. In theory you're verified and have all the paperwork; I'm not sure how strictly they enforced this in practice. > Videos are only eligible for earnings if you are in the video. You must fill out a co-performer agreement and keep it on you if there are other in your videos. We may request it at any time. > PornHub Model Program FAQ
HereIGoAgain 4y ago
Just skeptical? They deleted Hentai with rape, "too young looking" anime characters and other such stuff in it! So it's pretty safe to say that it wasn't all CP. Not to mention that even RP rape and other types of content got the boot as well. At the demand of the CC companies. So if anything, they were being over protective against something that should never have been their business to police.

richbell 4y ago

> Much of that 80% of PornHub was "child porn"? Colour me skeptical on that one. They just deleted everything where they couldn't verify it was not child porn, but that's a very different thing. You are correct; the court's conclusions are absurd. I think they could make a compelling argument that a significant amount of the deleted content was uploaded without its subject's consent... but to claim that most of it was CSAM is crazy.

_-david-_ 4y ago

>Much of that 80% of PornHub was "child porn"? Colour me skeptical on that one. They just deleted everything where they couldn't verify it was not child porn, but that's a very different thing. Did they actually do that? I thought they only removed videos where the person who uploaded them did not provide evidence that the uploader was over 18. The uplooader may or may not be the person in the video.

richbell 4y ago
According to Vice: > PornHub [removed] all videos on its site that weren't uploaded by official content partners or members of its model program https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqjjy/pornhub-suspended-all-unverified-videos-content https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqjjy/pornhub-suspended-all...
- tsol 4y ago
  So they deleted videos where they couldn't verify the performers age only. Seems reasonable, to be honest. I know women who had their bodies posted on there against their consent and it can be very hard to take down, while it's trivial to be re-uploaded.
  - richbell 4y ago
    > So they deleted videos where they couldn't verify the performers age only. Which is basically all of the "amateur" / non-professionally produced videos. I recall reading that they went from around 5 million videos to 1 million. That said, I think David is right that a verified account doesn't necessarily mean the subjects consented to the video being uploaded. In theory you're verified and have all the paperwork; I'm not sure how strictly they enforced this in practice. > Videos are only eligible for earnings if you are in the video. You must fill out a co-performer agreement and keep it on you if there are other in your videos. We may request it at any time. > PornHub Model Program FAQ

HereIGoAgain 4y ago

Just skeptical? They deleted Hentai with rape, "too young looking" anime characters and other such stuff in it! So it's pretty safe to say that it wasn't all CP. Not to mention that even RP rape and other types of content got the boot as well. At the demand of the CC companies. So if anything, they were being over protective against something that should never have been their business to police.