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Obviously the cancellation mob only has reach to a limited number of targets, like KiwiFarms. If Keffels or someone like them did in fact highlight someone and

Obviously the cancellation mob only has reach to a limited number of targets, like KiwiFarms. If Keffels or someone like them did in fact highlight someone and contact their employer I expect that this would have results.

Volundr 4y ago
Sure, it doesn't need to happen to everyone to be a valid concern, but it needs to happen to someone. So who? Who is this person who has been attacked by the "cancellation mob" and fired for saying nothing more than "Cloudflare shouldn't have dropped Kiwifarms, if a crime was committed it was a matter for law enforcement?"
- snoided 4y ago
- thedorkknight 4y ago
  Wondering this as well. I'm open to being wrong, but I'm wondering if this is one of those cases where it feels that way to him because of other people saying it feels that way to them, self-reinforcing the sentiment
- yanderekko 4y ago
  >Sure, it doesn't need to happen to everyone to be a valid concern, but it needs to happen to someone. It needs to happen to someone on both sides. So let me turn this around: Who has KiwiFarms doxxed and harassed simply for the act of being trans and saying that CloudFlare should drop KiwiFarms (or something similarly innocuous). imo the difference here is not "I have an example and you don't", but it's pretty clear from these discussions that a lot of people would be okay with people who defend KiwiFarms losing their jobs, while the thought of a trans person facing similar consequences for criticizing KiwiFarms is inplausible. Take the Cloudflare CEO's initial defense of not cutting service, which lead to a Harvard professor saying that Prince "simply wanted trans people dead", or something to that effect. If this is the kind of rhetoric that is considered okay in the current moment then what would happen if someone like me had posted a similar essay under my real name that caught the attention of Keffels or someone in her orbit? I can't prove it, but the outcome seems unfortunately obvious to me..
  - Volundr 4y ago
    > So let me turn this around No. You made the claim here, not me. I understand you would now like to change the subject to something you feel more prepared to debate, but I am not obliged to cooperate by allowing you to drag me into a tangent.

Volundr 4y ago

Sure, it doesn't need to happen to everyone to be a valid concern, but it needs to happen to someone. So who? Who is this person who has been attacked by the "cancellation mob" and fired for saying nothing more than "Cloudflare shouldn't have dropped Kiwifarms, if a crime was committed it was a matter for law enforcement?"

snoided 4y ago
thedorkknight 4y ago
Wondering this as well. I'm open to being wrong, but I'm wondering if this is one of those cases where it feels that way to him because of other people saying it feels that way to them, self-reinforcing the sentiment
yanderekko 4y ago
>Sure, it doesn't need to happen to everyone to be a valid concern, but it needs to happen to someone. It needs to happen to someone on both sides. So let me turn this around: Who has KiwiFarms doxxed and harassed simply for the act of being trans and saying that CloudFlare should drop KiwiFarms (or something similarly innocuous). imo the difference here is not "I have an example and you don't", but it's pretty clear from these discussions that a lot of people would be okay with people who defend KiwiFarms losing their jobs, while the thought of a trans person facing similar consequences for criticizing KiwiFarms is inplausible. Take the Cloudflare CEO's initial defense of not cutting service, which lead to a Harvard professor saying that Prince "simply wanted trans people dead", or something to that effect. If this is the kind of rhetoric that is considered okay in the current moment then what would happen if someone like me had posted a similar essay under my real name that caught the attention of Keffels or someone in her orbit? I can't prove it, but the outcome seems unfortunately obvious to me..
- Volundr 4y ago
  > So let me turn this around No. You made the claim here, not me. I understand you would now like to change the subject to something you feel more prepared to debate, but I am not obliged to cooperate by allowing you to drag me into a tangent.