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What do you want to do? the errors were made in the past. The only way forward is to normalise the relationship instead of further escalating this very dangerou

What do you want to do? the errors were made in the past. The only way forward is to normalise the relationship instead of further escalating this very dangerous situation.

hoffs 4y ago
Only way forward is ceasing relationship with such state
mschuster91 4y ago
> The only way forward is to normalise the relationship Yes, by removing Russia from Ukraine. No one thought of "normalising" relations with Nazi Germany's Hitler as my ancestors marched through Europe either. What should we do? Send everything we reasonably can to Ukraine so that they can drive out Russia. And then send some more that they can get rid of Putin once and for all.
- DoughnutHole 4y ago
  > No one thought of "normalising" relations with Nazi Germany's Hitler as my ancestors marched through Europe either. Yes they did - France and Britain attempted to appease Hitler for 5 years. Of course the lesson to learn from that is exactly that appeasement doesn't work. Letting Hitler get away with annexing Czechoslovakia only emboldened him to go further. Eventually enough has to be enough. I'd rather deal with the pain now than wait until Russia turns its attention to our own borders after it's finished with Ukraine.
  - effie 4y ago
    Spot on. We've seen this before with Hitler, and we are smarter now. It's true the situation is different - Putin has nukes - but we have nukes as well, and there are ways to be tough without escalating to using them. This means we do not have to fold just because Hitler has nukes now. We should be as tough as needed to stop the expansion.
- Silverback_VII 4y ago
  if a peace deal is as easy as some suggest like the one that was prevented by Boris Johnson(guarantee that Ukraine will never be part of NATO etc.) then I do not understand why you would like to escalate the situation even further. One has also to acknowledge that the economic sanctions and the military support for Ukraine are also very hostile moves.
  - glogla 4y ago
    > One has also to acknowledge that the economic sanctions and the military support for Ukraine are also very hostile moves. Indeed. It is a good start but shame we aren't doing more.

What do you want to do? the errors were made in the past. The only way forward is to normalise the relationship instead of further escalating this very dangerous situation.

hoffs 4y ago

Only way forward is ceasing relationship with such state

mschuster91 4y ago

> The only way forward is to normalise the relationship Yes, by removing Russia from Ukraine. No one thought of "normalising" relations with Nazi Germany's Hitler as my ancestors marched through Europe either. What should we do? Send everything we reasonably can to Ukraine so that they can drive out Russia. And then send some more that they can get rid of Putin once and for all.

DoughnutHole 4y ago
> No one thought of "normalising" relations with Nazi Germany's Hitler as my ancestors marched through Europe either. Yes they did - France and Britain attempted to appease Hitler for 5 years. Of course the lesson to learn from that is exactly that appeasement doesn't work. Letting Hitler get away with annexing Czechoslovakia only emboldened him to go further. Eventually enough has to be enough. I'd rather deal with the pain now than wait until Russia turns its attention to our own borders after it's finished with Ukraine.
- effie 4y ago
  Spot on. We've seen this before with Hitler, and we are smarter now. It's true the situation is different - Putin has nukes - but we have nukes as well, and there are ways to be tough without escalating to using them. This means we do not have to fold just because Hitler has nukes now. We should be as tough as needed to stop the expansion.
Silverback_VII 4y ago
if a peace deal is as easy as some suggest like the one that was prevented by Boris Johnson(guarantee that Ukraine will never be part of NATO etc.) then I do not understand why you would like to escalate the situation even further. One has also to acknowledge that the economic sanctions and the military support for Ukraine are also very hostile moves.
- glogla 4y ago
  > One has also to acknowledge that the economic sanctions and the military support for Ukraine are also very hostile moves. Indeed. It is a good start but shame we aren't doing more.