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The topic is that you are alleging a conspiracy for something which is exactly backed by the excess death data. For an explanation of which you have to invent a

The topic is that you are alleging a conspiracy for something which is exactly backed by the excess death data. For an explanation of which you have to invent a second conspiracy. >Why would they submit for a finger injury that pays $500 when they can get a covid bump-up for $2000? Because if this was routinely done, there will be some sort of proof. Where is the proof? Is there a third conspiracy to suppress it? I am on topic. The topic is the conspiracy nutting around covid which you epitomize.

OrvalWintermute 4y ago
You're making a grave mistake, and I am happy to point it out. In the case of an unknown pathogen potential first treatments may prove to be wrong. Likewise, vaccines flawed. And for this there is a great history of flawed vaccines, such as the Polio Vaccine Live Virus debacle [1] the Simian contamination of Polio vaccines [2], or perhaps the Swine flu [3]. How much more so with a novel therapeutic technology that is not well understood, or which there appears to be troubling side effects? A vaccine mandate can make it even worse [4] Much of the destructive influences Covid has had was not because of the virus exclusively, but because of the economic effects from mandated lockdowns [5], and potentially, contributions from mandated vaccines [6] Whether you agree with Covid lockdown economic destruction or not, people are writing about it [7] from many different perspectives [8]. I provide much evidence. Let's hope you can respond with more than an ignoble response lacking any historical merit. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9450713/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9450713/ [3] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/long-shadow-1976-swine-flu-vaccine-fiasco-180961994/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/long-shadow-1976-s... [4] https://www.acsh.org/news/2022/02/08/trouble-vaccine-mandates%E2%80%94they-can-backfire-studies-show-16113 https://www.acsh.org/news/2022/02/08/trouble-vaccine-mandate... [5] https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/how-much-exactly-have-covid-19-lockdowns-affected-economy https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/how-much-exactly-have-co... [6] https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/hospitals-reconsider-vaccine-mandate-amid-staffing-shortages https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/hospita... [7] https://fee.org/articles/study-lockdowns-had-largest-impact-in-destroying-economic-activity/ https://fee.org/articles/study-lockdowns-had-largest-impact-... [8] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/an-economist-explains-what-covid-19-has-done-to-the-global-economy/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/an-economist-explains...
- trention 4y ago
  Ah, here comes the conspiracy. Except that, if the culprit was "the economic effects from mandated lockdowns, and potentially, contributions from mandated vaccines", excess deaths wouldn't exactly (and it really is exactly) track case counts and instead would be evenly spread during the "lockdown" periods and the vaccine administration periods. Which is not the case. Your "evidence" (to the extent it is evidence at all) is cherrypicked, for lack of a better world, sh*t.
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    If you could read the previous comment you would notice several factors are mentioned but you are too busy confirming you bias towards a single factor to explain everything. One dimension thinking.
    - trention 4y ago
      It mentions 2 factors, both of which easily disprovable since excess deaths almost perfectly track case numbers and not vaccines administered and/or lockdown stringency. Better luck with your "it's complicated" bullsh*t next time.
      - OrvalWintermute 4y ago
        You haven't disproved anything with your one sentence evidence lacking comments, and you have no evidence thus far. Gotta link some data which you haven't.
peteradio 4y ago
Bob and Alice each have 1000 balls. I add 1000 balls and add 1000 anti-balls. Alice now has 0 balls while Bob has 2000 balls. What happened? Were Alice's balls annihilated and Bob picked up the new balls? Did Bob steal from Alice while his balls were annihilated? We just do not know without seeing some extra detail within.

OrvalWintermute 4y ago

You're making a grave mistake, and I am happy to point it out. In the case of an unknown pathogen potential first treatments may prove to be wrong. Likewise, vaccines flawed. And for this there is a great history of flawed vaccines, such as the Polio Vaccine Live Virus debacle [1] the Simian contamination of Polio vaccines [2], or perhaps the Swine flu [3]. How much more so with a novel therapeutic technology that is not well understood, or which there appears to be troubling side effects? A vaccine mandate can make it even worse [4] Much of the destructive influences Covid has had was not because of the virus exclusively, but because of the economic effects from mandated lockdowns [5], and potentially, contributions from mandated vaccines [6] Whether you agree with Covid lockdown economic destruction or not, people are writing about it [7] from many different perspectives [8]. I provide much evidence. Let's hope you can respond with more than an ignoble response lacking any historical merit. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9450713/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9450713/ [3] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/long-shadow-1976-swine-flu-vaccine-fiasco-180961994/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/long-shadow-1976-s... [4] https://www.acsh.org/news/2022/02/08/trouble-vaccine-mandates%E2%80%94they-can-backfire-studies-show-16113 https://www.acsh.org/news/2022/02/08/trouble-vaccine-mandate... [5] https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/how-much-exactly-have-covid-19-lockdowns-affected-economy https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/how-much-exactly-have-co... [6] https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/hospitals-reconsider-vaccine-mandate-amid-staffing-shortages https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/hospita... [7] https://fee.org/articles/study-lockdowns-had-largest-impact-in-destroying-economic-activity/ https://fee.org/articles/study-lockdowns-had-largest-impact-... [8] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/an-economist-explains-what-covid-19-has-done-to-the-global-economy/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/an-economist-explains...

trention 4y ago
Ah, here comes the conspiracy. Except that, if the culprit was "the economic effects from mandated lockdowns, and potentially, contributions from mandated vaccines", excess deaths wouldn't exactly (and it really is exactly) track case counts and instead would be evenly spread during the "lockdown" periods and the vaccine administration periods. Which is not the case. Your "evidence" (to the extent it is evidence at all) is cherrypicked, for lack of a better world, sh*t.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  If you could read the previous comment you would notice several factors are mentioned but you are too busy confirming you bias towards a single factor to explain everything. One dimension thinking.
  - trention 4y ago
    It mentions 2 factors, both of which easily disprovable since excess deaths almost perfectly track case numbers and not vaccines administered and/or lockdown stringency. Better luck with your "it's complicated" bullsh*t next time.
    - OrvalWintermute 4y ago
      You haven't disproved anything with your one sentence evidence lacking comments, and you have no evidence thus far. Gotta link some data which you haven't.

peteradio 4y ago

Bob and Alice each have 1000 balls. I add 1000 balls and add 1000 anti-balls. Alice now has 0 balls while Bob has 2000 balls. What happened? Were Alice's balls annihilated and Bob picked up the new balls? Did Bob steal from Alice while his balls were annihilated? We just do not know without seeing some extra detail within.