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The branding is pretty revealing. They’re calling this “PGPP” because they want to sell to drug dealers. Various “secured” encrypted phones have been sold as “

by prvit 4y ago

The branding is pretty revealing. They’re calling this “PGPP” because they want to sell to drug dealers. Various “secured” encrypted phones have been sold as “PGP phones” for years now regardless of underlying the technology having anything to do with PGP.

ziddoap 4y ago
>They’re calling this “PGPP” because they want to sell to drug dealers. Can you explain how this follows? It sounds like you're claiming that the only people who have an interest in privacy are drug dealers? Which would be a pretty ridiculous take, if that's what you're implying.
- prvit 4y ago
  Drug dealers make up like 90+% of the market for expensive cryptophones. There’s been a bunch of companies selling “PGP phones” specifically to drug dealers. Many of these have been shut down by LE. If you look, you’ll find that most of them unsurprisingly maintain physical storefronts in drug dealing hotspots like Marbella. The idea isn’t that only drug dealers care about privacy, it’s that they’re the people with enough disposable cash and few enough brain cells to buy this stuff.
notjulianjaynes 4y ago
I thought it t was a pun on 3GPP.
- prvit 4y ago
  That’s only credible if we’re to believe that they know literally nothing about the market they’re entering.
  - notjulianjaynes 4y ago
    I think, especially in the wake of EFF's Fog Data broker investigation, the idea that drug dealers are the only market for a tracking resistant mobile device is untrue. (Although I guess I'd buy that drug dealers are more receptive than the general public to something branded as "PGP." But I'm one of those strawmen on the other side of this debate (a journalist) and such a product is appealing to me. If it's not appealing to the general public that is IMO a lack of education on the topic. That said, I have not reviewed how this is particular thing is supposed to work, and my assumption is that it is An0m v2 until proven otherwise. Additionally, doesn't Signal require a phone number to sign up? If this service provides no phone number how does that work?
    - prvit 4y ago
      General public isn’t going to spend $1k+/yr on a SIM card to avoid data brokers. Yeah, you might sell to a few rich nerds from HN. But for each of those you’ll get tens of drug dealers and other organised crime.
Quarrel 4y ago
While I think you're probably correct, re the branding they're after, it does dovel tail nicely with 3GPP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP
barathr 4y ago
We named it entirely as an homage to the original PGP. This was literally an academic research project we did, with the exact same name, for years before we made it into a service.
- RunSet 4y ago
  > We named it entirely as an homage to the original PGP. Are you affiliated with any of the authors or developers of "the original PGP"? To be precise, Phil Zimmermann, PGP Inc, Network Associates, PGP Corp, or Broadcom Inc?

by prvit 4y ago

ziddoap 4y ago

>They’re calling this “PGPP” because they want to sell to drug dealers. Can you explain how this follows? It sounds like you're claiming that the only people who have an interest in privacy are drug dealers? Which would be a pretty ridiculous take, if that's what you're implying.

prvit 4y ago
Drug dealers make up like 90+% of the market for expensive cryptophones. There’s been a bunch of companies selling “PGP phones” specifically to drug dealers. Many of these have been shut down by LE. If you look, you’ll find that most of them unsurprisingly maintain physical storefronts in drug dealing hotspots like Marbella. The idea isn’t that only drug dealers care about privacy, it’s that they’re the people with enough disposable cash and few enough brain cells to buy this stuff.

notjulianjaynes 4y ago

I thought it t was a pun on 3GPP.

prvit 4y ago
That’s only credible if we’re to believe that they know literally nothing about the market they’re entering.
- notjulianjaynes 4y ago
  I think, especially in the wake of EFF's Fog Data broker investigation, the idea that drug dealers are the only market for a tracking resistant mobile device is untrue. (Although I guess I'd buy that drug dealers are more receptive than the general public to something branded as "PGP." But I'm one of those strawmen on the other side of this debate (a journalist) and such a product is appealing to me. If it's not appealing to the general public that is IMO a lack of education on the topic. That said, I have not reviewed how this is particular thing is supposed to work, and my assumption is that it is An0m v2 until proven otherwise. Additionally, doesn't Signal require a phone number to sign up? If this service provides no phone number how does that work?
  - prvit 4y ago
    General public isn’t going to spend $1k+/yr on a SIM card to avoid data brokers. Yeah, you might sell to a few rich nerds from HN. But for each of those you’ll get tens of drug dealers and other organised crime.

Quarrel 4y ago

While I think you're probably correct, re the branding they're after, it does dovel tail nicely with 3GPP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP

barathr 4y ago

We named it entirely as an homage to the original PGP. This was literally an academic research project we did, with the exact same name, for years before we made it into a service.

RunSet 4y ago
> We named it entirely as an homage to the original PGP. Are you affiliated with any of the authors or developers of "the original PGP"? To be precise, Phil Zimmermann, PGP Inc, Network Associates, PGP Corp, or Broadcom Inc?