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> She’s not “parroting republicans” by saying tech is largely operated by people who are elite and (ostensibly) liberal. As far as I know, this isn’t controvers

by samuel 4y ago

> She’s not “parroting republicans” by saying tech is largely operated by people who are elite and (ostensibly) liberal. As far as I know, this isn’t controversial amongst liberals - just a projection made up by Fox News anchors and talk radio hosts as they shout “hypocrisy!” while being funded by the likes of Rupert Murdoch. I don't watch Fox News, just read comments on american dominated forums like this one and reddit (the regular subrredits like r/news or r/europe, not obscure ones). And I my impression is that the average left-leaning user does not openly acknowledge that there is a leftist bias on Twitter or Youtube. On the contrary. > Didn’t you read the part about fascism? She’s talking about republicans lol, you realize that right? I don't understand what you mean, I'm sorry, but I have read the whole thing.

ShamelessC 4y ago
Would you agree that you don’t have a very nuanced understanding of American politics? I’m not trying to be rude, but you’re picking sides in a discussion you don’t seem to fully grok and I don’t really have time to explain the dramatic/stressful shift that has occurred in American politics since the oughts. Collecting your sample from the internet is collecting an inherently biased sample though - please don’t do that. Or if you do, don’t bring it into a discussion like it’s somehow useful information and not noise. there is more depth to Americans than sensationalist culture war click bait would have you believe.
- samuel 4y ago
  I'm consider myself well versed on american politics, and I'm not picking sides. Believe or not I read more about american politics every day than about politics of my own country. Reading random guys in the internet it's not the only thing I do and I don't think I implied that. It was just a data point to support that the notion that it's not widely accepted that leftist bias is present in some tech platforms. I have the impression you are trying to "defeat" without the need of presenting any argument just because I'm not american. If you want some kind of victory it's yours. If you have convincing arguments I will be delighted to hear them. Still waiting, though.
  - ShamelessC 4y ago
    No - I said what I said, which is that I don’t have time to get into everything you may not know about. Call it a stalemate if you need to. For what it’s worth, I respect that American internet culture is perhaps inescapable for non-Americans and am not refusing discussion based on that. It’s mostly about how you didn’t know she was referring to Trump supporters as fascist (a concept I imagine you would disagree with, based on your statements so far), but well - a good deal of Trump supporters became radicalized fascists resulting in the events of Jan. 6. Not to mention the bulk of the Republican Party incorrectly believes that the 2020 election was stolen.
    - samuel 4y ago
      > was referring to Trump supporters as fascist (a concept I imagine you would disagree with, based on your statements so far) Now we're making progress. Yes, I guessed she was referring to Trump supporters. And that's exactly the problem I have with the article. It's hard to disagree with someone who argues for formulae to fight fascism, until you realize that term means something different for every person, specially if she's in the left. How do you know she doesn't apply that label to every Trump supporter and not just the kind of one who stormed the Capitol? And after reading that article. Are you sure she would be ok with the fact that trumpists were using Signal to communicate on Jan 6 and wouldn't try to undermine its usage among them? Sure, there are multiple interpretations of her words, but certainly it raises a doubt. And that and no other was my point. > Not to mention the bulk of the Republican Party incorrectly believes that the 2020 election was stolen. Come on. You don't sincerely believe that.
      - ShamelessC 4y ago
        Don’t know what to tell you… Not at all interested in hashing this out. My mental health has already suffered plenty because of it since Trump was elected. I’m deeply uninterested in helping you see my perspective when you respond with “you don’t seriously believe that” - signaling that you think my viewpoint is laughable to the point of being unrealistic to you. edit: If you don’t know how contentious this issue is (for both sides), it’s perhaps worth realizing that Americans have been fighting a lot lately, to the point of exhaustion. This is well past the point of “healthy public debate” and a lot closer to “2+2=5”. So if you see anyone else like me who just isn’t interested, try to remember that they have already had the same argument a hundred times with others, maybe even loved ones. Edit 2: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/at-least-120-republicans-who-deny-the-2020-election-results-will-be-on-the-ballot-in-november https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/at-least-120-republican... You’re simply way too overconfident. A sibling comment just posted an article and your response was your personal pet theory conspiracy about hunter bidens laptop?? Please, just stop. You clearly have a set agenda and just want to try to “catch hypocrites in the act with FACTS and LOGIC”. This isn’t YouTube, the standard of discourse is higher than that here.
willnonya 4y ago
They don't recognize the bias because for them it's normal. When views don't align with theirs that is what stands out and that is what they attack. This is true on both sides of the American political spectrum but their responses to them used to be more different.

by samuel 4y ago

ShamelessC 4y ago

Would you agree that you don’t have a very nuanced understanding of American politics? I’m not trying to be rude, but you’re picking sides in a discussion you don’t seem to fully grok and I don’t really have time to explain the dramatic/stressful shift that has occurred in American politics since the oughts. Collecting your sample from the internet is collecting an inherently biased sample though - please don’t do that. Or if you do, don’t bring it into a discussion like it’s somehow useful information and not noise. there is more depth to Americans than sensationalist culture war click bait would have you believe.

samuel 4y ago
I'm consider myself well versed on american politics, and I'm not picking sides. Believe or not I read more about american politics every day than about politics of my own country. Reading random guys in the internet it's not the only thing I do and I don't think I implied that. It was just a data point to support that the notion that it's not widely accepted that leftist bias is present in some tech platforms. I have the impression you are trying to "defeat" without the need of presenting any argument just because I'm not american. If you want some kind of victory it's yours. If you have convincing arguments I will be delighted to hear them. Still waiting, though.
- ShamelessC 4y ago
  No - I said what I said, which is that I don’t have time to get into everything you may not know about. Call it a stalemate if you need to. For what it’s worth, I respect that American internet culture is perhaps inescapable for non-Americans and am not refusing discussion based on that. It’s mostly about how you didn’t know she was referring to Trump supporters as fascist (a concept I imagine you would disagree with, based on your statements so far), but well - a good deal of Trump supporters became radicalized fascists resulting in the events of Jan. 6. Not to mention the bulk of the Republican Party incorrectly believes that the 2020 election was stolen.
  - samuel 4y ago
    > was referring to Trump supporters as fascist (a concept I imagine you would disagree with, based on your statements so far) Now we're making progress. Yes, I guessed she was referring to Trump supporters. And that's exactly the problem I have with the article. It's hard to disagree with someone who argues for formulae to fight fascism, until you realize that term means something different for every person, specially if she's in the left. How do you know she doesn't apply that label to every Trump supporter and not just the kind of one who stormed the Capitol? And after reading that article. Are you sure she would be ok with the fact that trumpists were using Signal to communicate on Jan 6 and wouldn't try to undermine its usage among them? Sure, there are multiple interpretations of her words, but certainly it raises a doubt. And that and no other was my point. > Not to mention the bulk of the Republican Party incorrectly believes that the 2020 election was stolen. Come on. You don't sincerely believe that.
    - ShamelessC 4y ago
      Don’t know what to tell you… Not at all interested in hashing this out. My mental health has already suffered plenty because of it since Trump was elected. I’m deeply uninterested in helping you see my perspective when you respond with “you don’t seriously believe that” - signaling that you think my viewpoint is laughable to the point of being unrealistic to you. edit: If you don’t know how contentious this issue is (for both sides), it’s perhaps worth realizing that Americans have been fighting a lot lately, to the point of exhaustion. This is well past the point of “healthy public debate” and a lot closer to “2+2=5”. So if you see anyone else like me who just isn’t interested, try to remember that they have already had the same argument a hundred times with others, maybe even loved ones. Edit 2: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/at-least-120-republicans-who-deny-the-2020-election-results-will-be-on-the-ballot-in-november https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/at-least-120-republican... You’re simply way too overconfident. A sibling comment just posted an article and your response was your personal pet theory conspiracy about hunter bidens laptop?? Please, just stop. You clearly have a set agenda and just want to try to “catch hypocrites in the act with FACTS and LOGIC”. This isn’t YouTube, the standard of discourse is higher than that here.

willnonya 4y ago

They don't recognize the bias because for them it's normal. When views don't align with theirs that is what stands out and that is what they attack. This is true on both sides of the American political spectrum but their responses to them used to be more different.