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I just don't understand the level of virtriol about a TV show. Is this the fruit of waning religiosity, where everyone adopts whatever random cause and fights t

by Gatsky 4y ago

I just don't understand the level of virtriol about a TV show. Is this the fruit of waning religiosity, where everyone adopts whatever random cause and fights to the death about it? I thought we got past this malarkey with the stunning finale of The Sopranos... creative art is not there to satisfy your clamouring desires. That is 'content'.

coffee_beqn 4y ago
I seriously missed some weird angry mob. I watched the first two episodes yesterday out of curiosity and it was the most compelling TV show I’ve seen in years. I’ve read the books a long time ago and enjoy fantasy. I thought this was a great start for a fantasy series.
BurningFrog 4y ago
There isn't, in the big picture, a huge level of such vitriol. It's mostly that it's a very easy angle to write click-friendly articles about. You can easily go "nut-picking" on Twitter, and find people saying whatever crazy thing you need for an article like that.
- ethbr0 4y ago
  The HN comment threads above indicate there's a fair amount of vitriol.
blihp 4y ago
Tolkien created one of the most fleshed out fantasy universes to date. As a result, there's a not inconsiderable number of die hard fans who don't react well to disregarding canon as there is a rather insane amount of detail spelled out in the books. As long as one can get in the mindset of 'this is some disposable Tolkien-ish fantasy content', it's an OK bit of filler (IMO, having watched the first couple of episodes)
- ethbr0 4y ago
  This feels different though. (a) Most of the angry people haven't even watched (!) the few episodes (!!) that are out. (b) I'm not sure most of the outraged are Tolkien fans. It honestly feels more like dog piling / mob hysteria. When did we become consumers of visual media where "I don't like it, and I haven't and won't watch it" is a valid position to publicly kvetch about?
  - therealdrag0 4y ago
    How do you know they haven’t watched it?
    - ethbr0 4y ago
      Because they said so? > "Now after all this rant: I didn't watch rings of power, and I don't plan to, why soil a good memory and good mental mythos I have of that world?" > "I watched up till the intro credits of episode one. It seems... OK?" > "I watched the trailer and I didn't watch the show yet, but I if it follows the trend, I imagine what I will find. I don't know if I will watch it." > "I found the first episode very long drawn and boring. Wanted to leave a review but Amazon told me: "please watch till the end to leave a review". Not going to torture myself just to leave a review." > "I’ve only watched one episode, but that episode was not good." > "That begin said, I haven't watched any RoP, the "nothing" could be complete fluff because the story is too thin." > "I don't think I'll be watching this series at all based on what I've read in the comments here." > "zero sympathy here; Tolkien reader; not watching this media at all.. zero" > "I don’t known about others, but I really don’t want to watch this show now." Am I the only one that seems weird to? Like, watch it and have whatever opinion you feel! But when did not watch it and have a strong opinion become a valid option?
    - Corrado 4y ago
      Some of the reviews were posted before the episodes were even released.
  - CleaveIt2Beaver 4y ago
    I've seen several memes presented to me by Facebook, since it's normally the kind of content and subject matter I'd consume, counseling people to not even "hate-watch" it. So there is some variety of blind opposition or boycot afoot, and shockingly, the comment sections very frequently come back around to color-blind casting.
- OrvalWintermute 4y ago
  > As a result, there's a not inconsiderable number of die hard fans who don't react well to disregarding canon as there is a rather insane amount of detail spelled out in the books. This sounds very similar to what happened with the fans of the well-known Wheel of Time series. Given the broad divergence from the canon, the future of the series is in doubt [1] [1] https://screenrant.com/wheel-time-show-backlash-controversy-books-seasons-risk/ https://screenrant.com/wheel-time-show-backlash-controversy-...
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    I don't understand why they even bothered trying to adapt the Wheel of Time. The values expressed in those books, particularly w.r.t. gender, were obviously going to clash hard with the present zeitgeist and necessitated butchering the story to bring it into compliance. Anybody could have seen that coming. They should have just written a new story. In no particular order: Conflict between men and women leads to ruination. Men need women and women need men, without the other they aren't complete. Men are naturally stronger than women, but women make up for it with teamwork. Powerful men get harems. Men frequently take multiple wives but the reverse is virtually unheard of. Slavery as a cultural difference to be respected. Good guys allying themselves with an empire built by the chattel slavery of women.
  - LegitShady 4y ago
    Wheel of Time season 2 was confirmed before season 1 ended and season 3 was confirmed before any part of season 2 aired. Amazon is doubling down. Expect more of this sort of "we'll buy your favorite property and change it and there's nothing you can do about it". Nothing that is still protected by copyright is sacred, you just need a rich enough business to buy it to change it.
- bowsamic 4y ago
  But a lot of the people who are freaking out clearly haven’t read the books because the stuff they say is often incorrect
- cygx 4y ago
  Note that the canon is somewhat fluid: Tolkien changed his mind on various things (off-hand, I can think of the creation of the orcs, when the wizards first arrived in middle-earth and what exactly Balrogs look like).
  - caskstrength 4y ago
    Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi
    - cygx 4y ago
      But 'Jupiter' has been dead for close to 50 years. While Tolkien was protective of his work and its integrity, I'm not entirely sure he would have wanted it to ossify entirely (as already quoted elsewhere: "I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many others only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama").
bergenty 4y ago
hedora 4y ago
I watched up till the intro credits of episode one. It seems... OK? It makes me miss old Amazon prime where they'd use the $200M to fund dozens of risky shows from up and coming directors. Even if 90% ended up being terrible, they'd still end up with multiple shows that I'd enjoy more than one big budget production.
- BarryMilo 4y ago
  > It makes me miss old Amazon prime where they'd use the $200M to fund dozens of risky shows from up and coming directors. Seems like a standard trajectory for new independent streaming services at this point. First you make art, then you make content.
- wellthisisgreat 4y ago
  Yeah smaller budget Amazon was amazing Patriot is still one of the best TV shows ever There was a glimpse of those glory days with “outlaws” though
hackerlight 4y ago
This is the latest culture war front. The right-wing media ecosystem are pointing their hundred millions viewers at this one outrageous thing. It'll eventually wane like the previous iterations, such as critical race theory in schools.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  Wait what's the culture war angle here? I don't get the correlation between "purist" Tolkien fans and the right wing vs left wing? I'm probably missing something since I've never read or watched anything related to tolkien or LOTR, but for me it looked more like a typical fanboy reaction/rage to Amazon adding new stuff to an original story. (Which honestly can suck, because of course some people will just review bomb it no matter without ever actually watching a single episode. Makes it harder for everyone else to actually know if it's bad on its own merits.)
  - DoctorNick 4y ago
    There’s black people in it. That’s it. That’s the whole controversy
    - redox99 4y ago
      That's an oversimplification. The "controversy" is that some people already had an image of what elves looked like (tall, very white, long haired) and now one of the main characters who is an elf, is a short haired black man. As someone who doesn't live in the US, it is always a bit amusing when you see these Hollywood productions very clearly add or make some characters certain race or gender because of US politics.
      - illumin8 4y ago
        It's even more bizarre when you consider that all of Tolkien's works are based on an incredibly Anglo Saxon/European centric view of the world. I find it extremely ironic that people are so bent out of shape about a couple characters cast with darker skin. These must be the same people that have no clue that every character in their favorite book (The Bible, King James version) was non-white. These are most likely the same people with the historically inaccurate pictures of Jesus Christ as a caucasian man. The two largest fantasy franchises in the world are Euro-centric white fantasy (Middle Earth and GoT). It isn't enough that our fantasy canon dominates the world, we need to have every actor be caucasian as well?
wrp 4y ago
> I just don't understand the level of virtriol... I can't comment on the social phenomenon of Amazon mob reviews, but the attitude of Tolkien toward his work is relevant. He incorporated a tremendous amount of material from his research on northern European mythology, and had very definite ideas about how it should all hang together. Once LotR was published, he would react very strongly against interpreting or extending that material in any way that didn't match his vision. A large part of Tolkien's fan base takes a similarly serious attitude towards his material.
- Gatsky 4y ago
  That's fine, but Amazon isn't rewriting his books. I think it is impossible to infer Tolkien's reaction, and furthermore, quite silly to try and enforce that inferred reaction. Take the Wheel of Time series. A lot of unhappy fans again. Robert Jordan isn't around to give his opinion, but Brandon Sanderson finished off writing the series after Jordan's death and has talked about what he thinks of the TV series. His comments are remarkably less hysterical than what fans say. He basically says he likes it and there are some things he would have done differently [1]. Ghost in the Shell is another example. The live action movie was bad. There was a whitewashing controversy about a caucasian actor playing the lead role. The original Ghost in the Shell anime director came out and said it didn't matter [2]. His comments are worth reading: > ...Oshii said that because the main protagonist – Major Motoko Kusanagi – is a cyborg, the question of race and whitewashing is a moot point. “What issue could there possibly be with casting her?” Oshii said. “The major is a cyborg and her physical form is an entirely assumed one. The name ‘Motoko Kusanagi’ and her current body are not her original name and body, so there is no basis for saying that an Asian actress must portray her. Even if her original body (presuming such a thing existed) were a Japanese one, that would still apply.” Oshii added that he thought Johansson was the best possible person to play Kusanagi in the Rupert Sanders-helmed remake, which is out next weekend in the US. He also argued that actors of different backgrounds from the characters they are portraying is part and parcel of the film-making world. ”In the movies, John Wayne can play Genghis Khan, and Omar Sharif, an Arab, can play Doctor Zhivago, a Slav. It’s all just cinematic conventions,” he explained. ”If that’s not allowed, then Darth Vader probably shouldn’t speak English, either.” [1] https://winteriscoming.net/2022/01/27/how-brandon-sanderson-would-have-changed-the-wheel-of-time/ https://winteriscoming.net/2022/01/27/how-brandon-sanderson-... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/mar/24/scarlett-johansson-ghost-in-the-shell-director-whitewashing https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/mar/24/scarlett-johans...
skibble 4y ago
It’s mostly hysteria. I’m enjoying it a lot more than the clunky GoT prequel series, for instance. I can’t possibly see how it could move someone to join in a one star review-bombing campaign unless they had a political agenda they weren’t being honest about. I’m not saying you can’t have an opinion, of course. The recent Star Wars trilogy isn’t exactly an unparalleled artistic achievement. But unfortunately when the internet’s overflowing with misogynists and racists desperate to hold their crumbling cultural Maginot line, any legitimate criticism isn’t going to be heard.
- chaosbolt 4y ago
  >Clunky got prequels House of the Dragon has surprisingly been great, sure you have the random teleporting character or out of character military tactic but it also shows HBO learned from their mistake and you can feel they brought back the politics and meetings and focus on characters instead of fan service and whatever made the last 4 got seasons the garbage they turned into. But again you have to have read GRRM's work and not be a contrarian just for the sake of it to enjoy it. Rings of power had a budget of a billion $, either there is some money laundering scheme at work that I'm unaware of, or people have just forgotten how to hire good writers and other people to make a decent movie/series. If you gave me a billion $ today I'd just hire Peter Jackson, pay him a shit ton of money so he accepts, and give him FULL creative power over the project so it doesn't turn out like The Hobbit trilogy or That Raimi directed Dr Strange in the multiverse of madness. And if he refuses to do it then find another good director and I'm sure there are a lot of big names who would gladly accept the challenge of topping Jackson's work. A billion $ is A LOT of money in cinema, despite you having to pay the movie theaters, marketing, etc. Amazon owns imdb so can market it themselves on 2 of the most visited websites in the world: Amazon and imdb (for movie/series watchers), and if that's not enough, they own the streaming service where they plan to put it. People aren't saying it sucks (at least I'm not) but that it had no reason to not be great. Galadriel felt inhuman in Jackson's movies, she's supposed to be one of the fairest and mightiest elves in middle earth, I doubt she felt like that to anyone in rop. Now after all this rant: I didn't watch rings of power, and I don't plan to, why soil a good memory and good mental mythos I have of that world? I made that mistake with the witcher, I had built up the characters in my head from the books and later the videogames, then Netflix took a huge dump on this mental model, and now whenever I think about some character (outside of Cavill and a few others who did great work) I also get the image of the new one in my head: I hope this weird rambling makes sense.
throw_m239339 4y ago
Amazon, that union busting corporation, spent a billion dollar to deface Tolkien and Variety thinks "trolls" are the problem here? See the greater picture and it's implications. And Amazon thinks they deserve a medal for being performatively "woke"? while having the most utter disdain for their employees trying to organize for better work conditions?

by Gatsky 4y ago

coffee_beqn 4y ago

I seriously missed some weird angry mob. I watched the first two episodes yesterday out of curiosity and it was the most compelling TV show I’ve seen in years. I’ve read the books a long time ago and enjoy fantasy. I thought this was a great start for a fantasy series.

BurningFrog 4y ago

There isn't, in the big picture, a huge level of such vitriol. It's mostly that it's a very easy angle to write click-friendly articles about. You can easily go "nut-picking" on Twitter, and find people saying whatever crazy thing you need for an article like that.

ethbr0 4y ago
The HN comment threads above indicate there's a fair amount of vitriol.

blihp 4y ago

Tolkien created one of the most fleshed out fantasy universes to date. As a result, there's a not inconsiderable number of die hard fans who don't react well to disregarding canon as there is a rather insane amount of detail spelled out in the books. As long as one can get in the mindset of 'this is some disposable Tolkien-ish fantasy content', it's an OK bit of filler (IMO, having watched the first couple of episodes)

ethbr0 4y ago
This feels different though. (a) Most of the angry people haven't even watched (!) the few episodes (!!) that are out. (b) I'm not sure most of the outraged are Tolkien fans. It honestly feels more like dog piling / mob hysteria. When did we become consumers of visual media where "I don't like it, and I haven't and won't watch it" is a valid position to publicly kvetch about?
- therealdrag0 4y ago
  How do you know they haven’t watched it?
  - ethbr0 4y ago
    Because they said so? > "Now after all this rant: I didn't watch rings of power, and I don't plan to, why soil a good memory and good mental mythos I have of that world?" > "I watched up till the intro credits of episode one. It seems... OK?" > "I watched the trailer and I didn't watch the show yet, but I if it follows the trend, I imagine what I will find. I don't know if I will watch it." > "I found the first episode very long drawn and boring. Wanted to leave a review but Amazon told me: "please watch till the end to leave a review". Not going to torture myself just to leave a review." > "I’ve only watched one episode, but that episode was not good." > "That begin said, I haven't watched any RoP, the "nothing" could be complete fluff because the story is too thin." > "I don't think I'll be watching this series at all based on what I've read in the comments here." > "zero sympathy here; Tolkien reader; not watching this media at all.. zero" > "I don’t known about others, but I really don’t want to watch this show now." Am I the only one that seems weird to? Like, watch it and have whatever opinion you feel! But when did not watch it and have a strong opinion become a valid option?
  - Corrado 4y ago
    Some of the reviews were posted before the episodes were even released.
- CleaveIt2Beaver 4y ago
  I've seen several memes presented to me by Facebook, since it's normally the kind of content and subject matter I'd consume, counseling people to not even "hate-watch" it. So there is some variety of blind opposition or boycot afoot, and shockingly, the comment sections very frequently come back around to color-blind casting.
OrvalWintermute 4y ago
> As a result, there's a not inconsiderable number of die hard fans who don't react well to disregarding canon as there is a rather insane amount of detail spelled out in the books. This sounds very similar to what happened with the fans of the well-known Wheel of Time series. Given the broad divergence from the canon, the future of the series is in doubt [1] [1] https://screenrant.com/wheel-time-show-backlash-controversy-books-seasons-risk/ https://screenrant.com/wheel-time-show-backlash-controversy-...
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  I don't understand why they even bothered trying to adapt the Wheel of Time. The values expressed in those books, particularly w.r.t. gender, were obviously going to clash hard with the present zeitgeist and necessitated butchering the story to bring it into compliance. Anybody could have seen that coming. They should have just written a new story. In no particular order: Conflict between men and women leads to ruination. Men need women and women need men, without the other they aren't complete. Men are naturally stronger than women, but women make up for it with teamwork. Powerful men get harems. Men frequently take multiple wives but the reverse is virtually unheard of. Slavery as a cultural difference to be respected. Good guys allying themselves with an empire built by the chattel slavery of women.
- LegitShady 4y ago
  Wheel of Time season 2 was confirmed before season 1 ended and season 3 was confirmed before any part of season 2 aired. Amazon is doubling down. Expect more of this sort of "we'll buy your favorite property and change it and there's nothing you can do about it". Nothing that is still protected by copyright is sacred, you just need a rich enough business to buy it to change it.
bowsamic 4y ago
But a lot of the people who are freaking out clearly haven’t read the books because the stuff they say is often incorrect
cygx 4y ago
Note that the canon is somewhat fluid: Tolkien changed his mind on various things (off-hand, I can think of the creation of the orcs, when the wizards first arrived in middle-earth and what exactly Balrogs look like).
- caskstrength 4y ago
  Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi
  - cygx 4y ago
    But 'Jupiter' has been dead for close to 50 years. While Tolkien was protective of his work and its integrity, I'm not entirely sure he would have wanted it to ossify entirely (as already quoted elsewhere: "I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many others only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama").

bergenty 4y ago

hedora 4y ago

I watched up till the intro credits of episode one. It seems... OK? It makes me miss old Amazon prime where they'd use the $200M to fund dozens of risky shows from up and coming directors. Even if 90% ended up being terrible, they'd still end up with multiple shows that I'd enjoy more than one big budget production.

BarryMilo 4y ago
> It makes me miss old Amazon prime where they'd use the $200M to fund dozens of risky shows from up and coming directors. Seems like a standard trajectory for new independent streaming services at this point. First you make art, then you make content.
wellthisisgreat 4y ago
Yeah smaller budget Amazon was amazing Patriot is still one of the best TV shows ever There was a glimpse of those glory days with “outlaws” though

hackerlight 4y ago

This is the latest culture war front. The right-wing media ecosystem are pointing their hundred millions viewers at this one outrageous thing. It'll eventually wane like the previous iterations, such as critical race theory in schools.

mardifoufs 4y ago
Wait what's the culture war angle here? I don't get the correlation between "purist" Tolkien fans and the right wing vs left wing? I'm probably missing something since I've never read or watched anything related to tolkien or LOTR, but for me it looked more like a typical fanboy reaction/rage to Amazon adding new stuff to an original story. (Which honestly can suck, because of course some people will just review bomb it no matter without ever actually watching a single episode. Makes it harder for everyone else to actually know if it's bad on its own merits.)
- DoctorNick 4y ago
  There’s black people in it. That’s it. That’s the whole controversy
  - redox99 4y ago
    That's an oversimplification. The "controversy" is that some people already had an image of what elves looked like (tall, very white, long haired) and now one of the main characters who is an elf, is a short haired black man. As someone who doesn't live in the US, it is always a bit amusing when you see these Hollywood productions very clearly add or make some characters certain race or gender because of US politics.
    - illumin8 4y ago
      It's even more bizarre when you consider that all of Tolkien's works are based on an incredibly Anglo Saxon/European centric view of the world. I find it extremely ironic that people are so bent out of shape about a couple characters cast with darker skin. These must be the same people that have no clue that every character in their favorite book (The Bible, King James version) was non-white. These are most likely the same people with the historically inaccurate pictures of Jesus Christ as a caucasian man. The two largest fantasy franchises in the world are Euro-centric white fantasy (Middle Earth and GoT). It isn't enough that our fantasy canon dominates the world, we need to have every actor be caucasian as well?

wrp 4y ago

> I just don't understand the level of virtriol... I can't comment on the social phenomenon of Amazon mob reviews, but the attitude of Tolkien toward his work is relevant. He incorporated a tremendous amount of material from his research on northern European mythology, and had very definite ideas about how it should all hang together. Once LotR was published, he would react very strongly against interpreting or extending that material in any way that didn't match his vision. A large part of Tolkien's fan base takes a similarly serious attitude towards his material.

Gatsky 4y ago
That's fine, but Amazon isn't rewriting his books. I think it is impossible to infer Tolkien's reaction, and furthermore, quite silly to try and enforce that inferred reaction. Take the Wheel of Time series. A lot of unhappy fans again. Robert Jordan isn't around to give his opinion, but Brandon Sanderson finished off writing the series after Jordan's death and has talked about what he thinks of the TV series. His comments are remarkably less hysterical than what fans say. He basically says he likes it and there are some things he would have done differently [1]. Ghost in the Shell is another example. The live action movie was bad. There was a whitewashing controversy about a caucasian actor playing the lead role. The original Ghost in the Shell anime director came out and said it didn't matter [2]. His comments are worth reading: > ...Oshii said that because the main protagonist – Major Motoko Kusanagi – is a cyborg, the question of race and whitewashing is a moot point. “What issue could there possibly be with casting her?” Oshii said. “The major is a cyborg and her physical form is an entirely assumed one. The name ‘Motoko Kusanagi’ and her current body are not her original name and body, so there is no basis for saying that an Asian actress must portray her. Even if her original body (presuming such a thing existed) were a Japanese one, that would still apply.” Oshii added that he thought Johansson was the best possible person to play Kusanagi in the Rupert Sanders-helmed remake, which is out next weekend in the US. He also argued that actors of different backgrounds from the characters they are portraying is part and parcel of the film-making world. ”In the movies, John Wayne can play Genghis Khan, and Omar Sharif, an Arab, can play Doctor Zhivago, a Slav. It’s all just cinematic conventions,” he explained. ”If that’s not allowed, then Darth Vader probably shouldn’t speak English, either.” [1] https://winteriscoming.net/2022/01/27/how-brandon-sanderson-would-have-changed-the-wheel-of-time/ https://winteriscoming.net/2022/01/27/how-brandon-sanderson-... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/mar/24/scarlett-johansson-ghost-in-the-shell-director-whitewashing https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/mar/24/scarlett-johans...

skibble 4y ago

It’s mostly hysteria. I’m enjoying it a lot more than the clunky GoT prequel series, for instance. I can’t possibly see how it could move someone to join in a one star review-bombing campaign unless they had a political agenda they weren’t being honest about. I’m not saying you can’t have an opinion, of course. The recent Star Wars trilogy isn’t exactly an unparalleled artistic achievement. But unfortunately when the internet’s overflowing with misogynists and racists desperate to hold their crumbling cultural Maginot line, any legitimate criticism isn’t going to be heard.

chaosbolt 4y ago
>Clunky got prequels House of the Dragon has surprisingly been great, sure you have the random teleporting character or out of character military tactic but it also shows HBO learned from their mistake and you can feel they brought back the politics and meetings and focus on characters instead of fan service and whatever made the last 4 got seasons the garbage they turned into. But again you have to have read GRRM's work and not be a contrarian just for the sake of it to enjoy it. Rings of power had a budget of a billion $, either there is some money laundering scheme at work that I'm unaware of, or people have just forgotten how to hire good writers and other people to make a decent movie/series. If you gave me a billion $ today I'd just hire Peter Jackson, pay him a shit ton of money so he accepts, and give him FULL creative power over the project so it doesn't turn out like The Hobbit trilogy or That Raimi directed Dr Strange in the multiverse of madness. And if he refuses to do it then find another good director and I'm sure there are a lot of big names who would gladly accept the challenge of topping Jackson's work. A billion $ is A LOT of money in cinema, despite you having to pay the movie theaters, marketing, etc. Amazon owns imdb so can market it themselves on 2 of the most visited websites in the world: Amazon and imdb (for movie/series watchers), and if that's not enough, they own the streaming service where they plan to put it. People aren't saying it sucks (at least I'm not) but that it had no reason to not be great. Galadriel felt inhuman in Jackson's movies, she's supposed to be one of the fairest and mightiest elves in middle earth, I doubt she felt like that to anyone in rop. Now after all this rant: I didn't watch rings of power, and I don't plan to, why soil a good memory and good mental mythos I have of that world? I made that mistake with the witcher, I had built up the characters in my head from the books and later the videogames, then Netflix took a huge dump on this mental model, and now whenever I think about some character (outside of Cavill and a few others who did great work) I also get the image of the new one in my head: I hope this weird rambling makes sense.

throw_m239339 4y ago

Amazon, that union busting corporation, spent a billion dollar to deface Tolkien and Variety thinks "trolls" are the problem here? See the greater picture and it's implications. And Amazon thinks they deserve a medal for being performatively "woke"? while having the most utter disdain for their employees trying to organize for better work conditions?