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For those who aren’t aware this is either satire or confusion on the OP’s part. There are no “gentle snow trolls” in the source material. And there was nothing

For those who aren’t aware this is either satire or confusion on the OP’s part. There are no “gentle snow trolls” in the source material. And there was nothing unnecessary about the fight scene. It’s unrealistic in the way that Legolas is unrealistic in Peter Jackson’s movies, but no worse.

ekianjo 4y ago
And there is no gratuitous killing of trolls in the source material either.
- sarchertech 4y ago
  It wasn’t gratuitous in the context of the show. They were attacked by said troll. The troll attack advanced the plot by serving as a catalyst for Galadriel’s troops deserting. Unless you’re saying that just having a fight scene with a troll was gratuitous? But the books have plenty of battle scenes with trolls as well.
- coffee_beqn 4y ago
  I mean it’s a fantasy show. They wanted to show that Galadriel was a elite fighter and they succeeded
  - Retric 4y ago
    They showed plot armor not an elite fighter.
    - tsimionescu 4y ago
      Isn't that exactly what you would expect from one of the oldest elves, clad in some of the finest armor created by the ancient elf smiths? Tolkien's elves are superhuman entities, magical and supernaturally agile, strong, tireless and so on. They are not elite fighters in the sense of, say, just being a Navy SEAL. If you're looking at Rings of Power and expecting a being such as Galadriel to break a sweat fighting something like a troll, you have a strange set of expectations.
      - raspberry1337 4y ago
        >Tolkien's elves are superhuman entities, magical and supernaturally agile, strong, tireless and so on. Which is why it's s suprising that a frost troll took out 3 of them in one lumpy throw of some packed ice
        sarchertech 4y ago
        The regular fall to orc arrows. Their durability is highly variable in the books.
        midoridensha 4y ago
        Notice that there were no dead elves at the end of that scene, just some mad elves that refused to follow their leader any more. They got kicked around by the troll, but afterwards they were ok. Elves are tough.
      - Retric 4y ago
        No, I would expect risk and effort minimization through perfection of strategy and technique. When 1 v 1 combat looks more dangerous than a farmer killing a goat it breaks my suspension of disbelief.
        sarchertech 4y ago
        >I would expect risk and effort minimization through perfection of strategy and technique I don't think that's consistent with the fights in the books. I mean Fingolfin physically fought a 40+ foot tall Morgoth in the Silmarillion. He was jumping around between huge pits that Morgoth's mace made when Morgoth tried to hit him. Fingolfin had a sword, while Morgoth held a mace that was bigger than Fingolfin, and yet Fingolfin was able to survive being beaten to the ground by said mace. I don't think there's anyway to depict fights on screen like that without looking a bit silly. If you start trying to realistically depict what it would look like to fight giant humanoids, you'd end up with something that is probably very interesting to people like you and myself, but that the majority of people would find boring. Plus that's not how the source material approached combat scenes.
tenpies 4y ago
Troll scene aside, I am just bored that it seems Disney and Amazon Studios share the same writers when it comes to their strong female leads.
- astrange 4y ago
  Americans should, I think, not be allowed to write fantasy because none of them know fairy tales well enough, and worse, none of them are capable of dry humor. I assume if I watch this Rings of Power show it'll turn out to be written by Joss Whedon and everyone will constantly be quipping at each other and looking at the camera like on The Office. I'll watch it if the writers room turns out to be staffed by weird old British Catholics though.
  - wyclif 4y ago
    none of them are capable of dry humor Bill Murray, Nick Offerman, and Steven Wright would all like a word.
    - Retric 4y ago
      We must have very different definitions of dry humor if those three are your examples.
      - martinclayton 4y ago
        Steven Wright is dry, at least his powdered water joke is.
        Retric 4y ago
        If we are talking individual jokes sure. He is the closest of the three and keeps the dead face unlike Nick Offerman who’s brow is integral to the comedy. However he regularly expresses emotions through gestures and subtle body language, so yes it’s close but not there over a full routine.
    - 4y ago

ekianjo 4y ago

And there is no gratuitous killing of trolls in the source material either.

sarchertech 4y ago
It wasn’t gratuitous in the context of the show. They were attacked by said troll. The troll attack advanced the plot by serving as a catalyst for Galadriel’s troops deserting. Unless you’re saying that just having a fight scene with a troll was gratuitous? But the books have plenty of battle scenes with trolls as well.
coffee_beqn 4y ago
I mean it’s a fantasy show. They wanted to show that Galadriel was a elite fighter and they succeeded
- Retric 4y ago
  They showed plot armor not an elite fighter.
  - tsimionescu 4y ago
    Isn't that exactly what you would expect from one of the oldest elves, clad in some of the finest armor created by the ancient elf smiths? Tolkien's elves are superhuman entities, magical and supernaturally agile, strong, tireless and so on. They are not elite fighters in the sense of, say, just being a Navy SEAL. If you're looking at Rings of Power and expecting a being such as Galadriel to break a sweat fighting something like a troll, you have a strange set of expectations.
    - raspberry1337 4y ago
      >Tolkien's elves are superhuman entities, magical and supernaturally agile, strong, tireless and so on. Which is why it's s suprising that a frost troll took out 3 of them in one lumpy throw of some packed ice
      - sarchertech 4y ago
        The regular fall to orc arrows. Their durability is highly variable in the books.
      - midoridensha 4y ago
        Notice that there were no dead elves at the end of that scene, just some mad elves that refused to follow their leader any more. They got kicked around by the troll, but afterwards they were ok. Elves are tough.
    - Retric 4y ago
      No, I would expect risk and effort minimization through perfection of strategy and technique. When 1 v 1 combat looks more dangerous than a farmer killing a goat it breaks my suspension of disbelief.
      - sarchertech 4y ago
        >I would expect risk and effort minimization through perfection of strategy and technique I don't think that's consistent with the fights in the books. I mean Fingolfin physically fought a 40+ foot tall Morgoth in the Silmarillion. He was jumping around between huge pits that Morgoth's mace made when Morgoth tried to hit him. Fingolfin had a sword, while Morgoth held a mace that was bigger than Fingolfin, and yet Fingolfin was able to survive being beaten to the ground by said mace. I don't think there's anyway to depict fights on screen like that without looking a bit silly. If you start trying to realistically depict what it would look like to fight giant humanoids, you'd end up with something that is probably very interesting to people like you and myself, but that the majority of people would find boring. Plus that's not how the source material approached combat scenes.

tenpies 4y ago

Troll scene aside, I am just bored that it seems Disney and Amazon Studios share the same writers when it comes to their strong female leads.

astrange 4y ago
Americans should, I think, not be allowed to write fantasy because none of them know fairy tales well enough, and worse, none of them are capable of dry humor. I assume if I watch this Rings of Power show it'll turn out to be written by Joss Whedon and everyone will constantly be quipping at each other and looking at the camera like on The Office. I'll watch it if the writers room turns out to be staffed by weird old British Catholics though.
- wyclif 4y ago
  none of them are capable of dry humor Bill Murray, Nick Offerman, and Steven Wright would all like a word.
  - Retric 4y ago
    We must have very different definitions of dry humor if those three are your examples.
    - martinclayton 4y ago
      Steven Wright is dry, at least his powdered water joke is.
      - Retric 4y ago
        If we are talking individual jokes sure. He is the closest of the three and keeps the dead face unlike Nick Offerman who’s brow is integral to the comedy. However he regularly expresses emotions through gestures and subtle body language, so yes it’s close but not there over a full routine.
  - 4y ago