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I agree. Really enjoyed watching the first two episodes. Was a little frustrated that the next episode wasn’t ready to watch. Most shows, I’m fine waiting. Yes

I agree. Really enjoyed watching the first two episodes. Was a little frustrated that the next episode wasn’t ready to watch. Most shows, I’m fine waiting. Yes, there are changes from the Silmarillion. How could there not be. That is a massive book written more as a reference for Tolkien than as a single cohesive narrative. It’s not the kind of writing that would translate directly to video. It needs some translation. I got out my 1977 edition to peruse after the shows, but am not surprised if there are differences. Also, yes, there are some dark skinned people in this new work. Big deal. If that kind of thing “takes you out of the story” then perhaps you should ask yourself why that is.

ShannonLimiter 4y ago
FWIW The show is based on the appendices of Lord of the Rings and not the Silmarillion, which they don’t have the rights for and have to avoid infringing upon.
- Tagbert 4y ago
  Thanks. I’m mainly going over the maps and looking up names to remind myself. Plus it’s been a while since I revisited this book.
spaceman_2020 4y ago
> Also, yes, there are some dark skinned people in this new work. I’ve never understood why people get so worked up about stuff like this. Nothing changes within the narrative itself. In-show characters don’t acknowledge the character’s newfound darker skin tone. The character stays true to the original vision - except that their skin is darker. I would be outraged if Dev Patel played an English knight and then was shown eating Indian food or wearing Indian clothes. That’s breaking the consistency of the narrative and the authenticity of its world. But Dev Patel simply plays an Englishman - with English habits and speech. Nothing within the world is changed to match the actor’s skin color or heritage. Rather, the actor’s skin color blends into the narrative’s world.
- throwaway27727 4y ago
  Because it breaks with how we always imagined Tolkien's world to look.
  - Tagbert 4y ago
    time to expand your imagination
    - throwaway211995 4y ago
    - DiggyJohnson 4y ago
      To what end? For the sake of telling a good story?
      - spaceman_2020 4y ago
        People will say that its for “diversity”, but as a brown person, including black/brown actors really does nothing for me. As I said, these are not “brown” people - they’re brown actors playing white characters. Except for their skin color, they have nothing in common with me. I find it mildly offensive when they reduce my identity to the color my skin. My identity is far richer and includes everything from food and clothing to customs and traditions. An Indian actor playing an Egnlishman with English customs and traditions does nothing for me. It would take an Indian actor playing an Indian man for me to take this “diversity” seriously. Of course, that would mean creating entirely new narratives and stories, which, of course, Hollywood can’t and won’t do. So we get brown and black actors shoehorned into pretending to be white - the lowest common denominator of “diversity”.
  - lentil_soup 4y ago
    Who's "we"?
midoridensha 4y ago
>Also, yes, there are some dark skinned people in this new work. Big deal. If that kind of thing “takes you out of the story” then perhaps you should ask yourself why that is. The dark skinned people are fine. I especially like the diverse proto-hobbits. The thing I really, really hate, that takes me out of the story, is the lens flares.
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  > The thing I really, really hate, that takes me out of the story, is the lens flares. What, have you forgotten the tale of the ancient cinematographers of the elves preferring it for its authenticity, even going so far as to commission elven spell-smiths to add it in their visions?

ShannonLimiter 4y ago

FWIW The show is based on the appendices of Lord of the Rings and not the Silmarillion, which they don’t have the rights for and have to avoid infringing upon.

Tagbert 4y ago
Thanks. I’m mainly going over the maps and looking up names to remind myself. Plus it’s been a while since I revisited this book.

spaceman_2020 4y ago

> Also, yes, there are some dark skinned people in this new work. I’ve never understood why people get so worked up about stuff like this. Nothing changes within the narrative itself. In-show characters don’t acknowledge the character’s newfound darker skin tone. The character stays true to the original vision - except that their skin is darker. I would be outraged if Dev Patel played an English knight and then was shown eating Indian food or wearing Indian clothes. That’s breaking the consistency of the narrative and the authenticity of its world. But Dev Patel simply plays an Englishman - with English habits and speech. Nothing within the world is changed to match the actor’s skin color or heritage. Rather, the actor’s skin color blends into the narrative’s world.

throwaway27727 4y ago
Because it breaks with how we always imagined Tolkien's world to look.
- Tagbert 4y ago
  time to expand your imagination
  - throwaway211995 4y ago
  - DiggyJohnson 4y ago
    To what end? For the sake of telling a good story?
    - spaceman_2020 4y ago
      People will say that its for “diversity”, but as a brown person, including black/brown actors really does nothing for me. As I said, these are not “brown” people - they’re brown actors playing white characters. Except for their skin color, they have nothing in common with me. I find it mildly offensive when they reduce my identity to the color my skin. My identity is far richer and includes everything from food and clothing to customs and traditions. An Indian actor playing an Egnlishman with English customs and traditions does nothing for me. It would take an Indian actor playing an Indian man for me to take this “diversity” seriously. Of course, that would mean creating entirely new narratives and stories, which, of course, Hollywood can’t and won’t do. So we get brown and black actors shoehorned into pretending to be white - the lowest common denominator of “diversity”.
- lentil_soup 4y ago
  Who's "we"?

midoridensha 4y ago

>Also, yes, there are some dark skinned people in this new work. Big deal. If that kind of thing “takes you out of the story” then perhaps you should ask yourself why that is. The dark skinned people are fine. I especially like the diverse proto-hobbits. The thing I really, really hate, that takes me out of the story, is the lens flares.

tsimionescu 4y ago
> The thing I really, really hate, that takes me out of the story, is the lens flares. What, have you forgotten the tale of the ancient cinematographers of the elves preferring it for its authenticity, even going so far as to commission elven spell-smiths to add it in their visions?