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> What's the precedence set by continuing to do business with kiwifarms? Continuing to do business with Kiwifarms is an acknowledgement that individuals are re

> What's the precedence set by continuing to do business with kiwifarms? Continuing to do business with Kiwifarms is an acknowledgement that individuals are responsible for their own actions, and any illegal activity such as swatting is the fault of the individual. Are Mark Zuckerberg and Meta responsible when people livestream murders or plan terrorist attacks using Facebook? Obviously no. Now I will acknowledge that there's some dispute over Kiwifarm's actual role in any illegal activity here. Did they encourage or organize criminal activity? As somebody who hasn't followed this drama from the beginning and who doesn't know what actually happened on Kiwifarms, I'd be a bit interested to try and read the source to try and somewhat figure out the truth of what happened for myself free of bias about who did what to who. Unfortunately, after shutting the site down, it's now impossible to get an objective answer after the fact and piece together the truth about this drama for myself. And trusting corporate claims or biased actors on any side of this story is just about impossible in today's hyper-politicized world.

anigbrowl 4y ago
Well, it affirms that idea, but you're kind of begging the question here - it's a point of view rather than a fact. I do think Zuckerberg (especially as CEO with an unassailable majority stake of voting shares) does bear some responsibility for what happens on his platform.
benwad 4y ago
But the issue here isn't just the actions of individuals - without a community like Kiwifarms to coordinate and plan these attacks then these individuals might not have the motivation or organisation to do them. While I don't think Cloudflare has full responsibility over everyone they do business with, I also think they have a moral imperative to intervene when one of their customers is using their service to coordinate attacks on someone. And remember, that person is being attacked for their perfectly reasonable free speech. As far as being able to read the posts and piece it together yourself, you can probably find something on the Wayback machine if you want to. Cloudflare's action was about preventing activity on those threads (i.e. planning/instigating further attacks), not to completely censor the contents.
- logicalmonster 4y ago
- tarboreus 4y ago
  It's been removed from the wayback machine.

anigbrowl 4y ago

Well, it affirms that idea, but you're kind of begging the question here - it's a point of view rather than a fact. I do think Zuckerberg (especially as CEO with an unassailable majority stake of voting shares) does bear some responsibility for what happens on his platform.

benwad 4y ago

But the issue here isn't just the actions of individuals - without a community like Kiwifarms to coordinate and plan these attacks then these individuals might not have the motivation or organisation to do them. While I don't think Cloudflare has full responsibility over everyone they do business with, I also think they have a moral imperative to intervene when one of their customers is using their service to coordinate attacks on someone. And remember, that person is being attacked for their perfectly reasonable free speech. As far as being able to read the posts and piece it together yourself, you can probably find something on the Wayback machine if you want to. Cloudflare's action was about preventing activity on those threads (i.e. planning/instigating further attacks), not to completely censor the contents.

logicalmonster 4y ago
tarboreus 4y ago
It's been removed from the wayback machine.