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I agree with you. Cloudflare is an independent entity and is within its rights to refuse service for businesses that are unsavory (including kiwifarms due to s

by tomrod 4y ago

I agree with you. Cloudflare is an independent entity and is within its rights to refuse service for businesses that are unsavory (including kiwifarms due to supporting harassment, propagandists, illegal substances, or whatever it chooses). I am surprised radicalized keyboard warriors on the internet feel better about the situation and their lives when they harass, SWAT, and dox others. I am sorry you've experienced this and live in fear of it. It seems out of sync with of principles they tend to mutually adopt from Jordan Peterson and similar. That said, those tend to be a bit of a philosophical mess anyhow. Maybe it's a little thing, but I hope knowing some random other person on the internet agrees with you, and who doesn't run in the same circles, brings some comfort to you. I applaud you for navigating your identity and looking to live your life to be the best you. It shouldn't have to be in fear. Good luck out there.

ThrowawayR2 4y ago
> ...within its rights to refuse service for businesses that are unsavory... - Labor union organizers and socialists used to be considered unsavory. - The civil rights movement used to be considered unsavory. - LGBTQ people used to be considered really unsavory, pre-1970s. Guess we know what the parent poster and those that agree with them would have said about businesses refusing service to those movements had they been around then.
- tomrod 4y ago
  Your point, even though it is US-centric whataboutism, is quite correct. A private venue that operates as a host has rights to discriminate among whom it hosts. Even more so, "unsavory" here is clearly a placeholder for "legally questionable if not outright banned" rather than "social underdog some people in society feel superior to." Trolls farms are typically anything but social underdogs. But let's step into your oranges-compared-to-apples example set. What your reductionist, presentist whataboutism misses is that the social "unsavoriness" was eventually seen to be unethical by society writ-large. However, KiwiFarms, as a vehicle for harassment against the ideal American underdogs, hasn't a leg to stand on and will remain as socially (and legally) unsavory. Therefore, your conclusion, that the OP and those that agree would have refused service universally to Labor, Civil Rights activists and supporters, and LGBTQ, is flawed. Perhaps ironically, the OP and those that agree with the comments are contained in the union of the latter two categories anyhow.
trlima 4y ago
Thank you, it really does help. This post was me releasing my frustration. I've censored myself a lot more than usual throughout kiwifarm's deplatforming, for fear when they regroup they may attack those who were critical of them. I worry I'd be near the top of the list because I'm also trans. But I don't want them to win by being silent.
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- oynqr 4y ago
  Showing basic restraint and not oversharing online seem to be the recipe for not ending up with a thread on Kiwi Farms, so you're probably fine.
  - DanBC 4y ago
    This is simply untrue. EG "I am—well, I was—great at opsec. I got doxxed on farms because someone spent 50+ hours trying to nail me down until he ultimately “compare[d] her tweets to weather history to determine her city, and complied a parametric list of all the profs in nyc and went from there."
    - oynqr 4y ago
      I don't see what an out-of-context quote disproves about my hypothesis.
      - tomrod 4y ago
        Your assessment that the quote is out-of-context is where the disconnect looks to be. The OP mentions that they tried to follow good opsec but had an issue, and you mentioned "Showing basic restraint and not oversharing online" as the solution -- which based on OP's opsec comment they looked to follow that.
        oynqr 4y ago

by tomrod 4y ago

ThrowawayR2 4y ago

> ...within its rights to refuse service for businesses that are unsavory... - Labor union organizers and socialists used to be considered unsavory. - The civil rights movement used to be considered unsavory. - LGBTQ people used to be considered really unsavory, pre-1970s. Guess we know what the parent poster and those that agree with them would have said about businesses refusing service to those movements had they been around then.

tomrod 4y ago
Your point, even though it is US-centric whataboutism, is quite correct. A private venue that operates as a host has rights to discriminate among whom it hosts. Even more so, "unsavory" here is clearly a placeholder for "legally questionable if not outright banned" rather than "social underdog some people in society feel superior to." Trolls farms are typically anything but social underdogs. But let's step into your oranges-compared-to-apples example set. What your reductionist, presentist whataboutism misses is that the social "unsavoriness" was eventually seen to be unethical by society writ-large. However, KiwiFarms, as a vehicle for harassment against the ideal American underdogs, hasn't a leg to stand on and will remain as socially (and legally) unsavory. Therefore, your conclusion, that the OP and those that agree would have refused service universally to Labor, Civil Rights activists and supporters, and LGBTQ, is flawed. Perhaps ironically, the OP and those that agree with the comments are contained in the union of the latter two categories anyhow.

trlima 4y ago

Thank you, it really does help. This post was me releasing my frustration. I've censored myself a lot more than usual throughout kiwifarm's deplatforming, for fear when they regroup they may attack those who were critical of them. I worry I'd be near the top of the list because I'm also trans. But I don't want them to win by being silent.

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oynqr 4y ago
Showing basic restraint and not oversharing online seem to be the recipe for not ending up with a thread on Kiwi Farms, so you're probably fine.
- DanBC 4y ago
  This is simply untrue. EG "I am—well, I was—great at opsec. I got doxxed on farms because someone spent 50+ hours trying to nail me down until he ultimately “compare[d] her tweets to weather history to determine her city, and complied a parametric list of all the profs in nyc and went from there."
  - oynqr 4y ago
    I don't see what an out-of-context quote disproves about my hypothesis.
    - tomrod 4y ago
      Your assessment that the quote is out-of-context is where the disconnect looks to be. The OP mentions that they tried to follow good opsec but had an issue, and you mentioned "Showing basic restraint and not oversharing online" as the solution -- which based on OP's opsec comment they looked to follow that.
      - oynqr 4y ago