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How much generation capacity has been shutdown since then? With the seemingly endless installation of solar panels, I am surprised of the generation warnings.

bombcar 4y ago
It’s on the site but apparently the amount of capacity has been “about the same” since 2011 or earlier. So all new solar etc coming on line is barely replacing capacity lost. And California has been growing.
- secabeen 4y ago
  California is also using less. LED lighting, more efficient HVAC systems, individual and corporate conservation, it's all helping to reduce the amount of power we need per person.
  - krasin 4y ago
    Note that California (and the rest of the world) is about to start using more electricity due to transition to electric cars and trucks.
    - inferiorhuman 4y ago
      Note that California leads the nation in EV adoption and still has an enviably low per-capita electric habit. And before you start jumping up and down that the map shows an increase in consumption from 2019 to 2020, keep in mind that the whole southwest is grey in large part because of the warmer summers. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=49036 https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=49036
      - krasin 4y ago
        Yep. No disagreement here; I was just trying to say that when the per-capita electricity consumption in California will go up, it's not because policies don't work, but because of EVs. And we will see drastic reductions of CO2 emissions per capita in California as a result.
        secabeen 4y ago
        Per-capita will go up, but mostly in the overnight hours, where there is lots of extra capacity. EVs might actually help the grid by reducing the overnight drop, and allowing the state to run more cheap baseline load.
  - happyopossum 4y ago
    How much of that is offset by electric cars? California leads the country in those…
    - bombcar 4y ago
      Did some further research, apparently a house uses about 10Mw/y, and an electric car is about 4Mw/y, so it's a pretty substantial increase, but it's not insane.
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  They didn't "lose" capacity, they intentionally shut down coal and some old inefficient gas plants because they were expensive and polluting. That's a good thing. Cheaper energy, less death and disease.

bombcar 4y ago

It’s on the site but apparently the amount of capacity has been “about the same” since 2011 or earlier. So all new solar etc coming on line is barely replacing capacity lost. And California has been growing.

secabeen 4y ago
California is also using less. LED lighting, more efficient HVAC systems, individual and corporate conservation, it's all helping to reduce the amount of power we need per person.
- krasin 4y ago
  Note that California (and the rest of the world) is about to start using more electricity due to transition to electric cars and trucks.
  - inferiorhuman 4y ago
    Note that California leads the nation in EV adoption and still has an enviably low per-capita electric habit. And before you start jumping up and down that the map shows an increase in consumption from 2019 to 2020, keep in mind that the whole southwest is grey in large part because of the warmer summers. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=49036 https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=49036
    - krasin 4y ago
      Yep. No disagreement here; I was just trying to say that when the per-capita electricity consumption in California will go up, it's not because policies don't work, but because of EVs. And we will see drastic reductions of CO2 emissions per capita in California as a result.
      - secabeen 4y ago
        Per-capita will go up, but mostly in the overnight hours, where there is lots of extra capacity. EVs might actually help the grid by reducing the overnight drop, and allowing the state to run more cheap baseline load.
- happyopossum 4y ago
  How much of that is offset by electric cars? California leads the country in those…
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Did some further research, apparently a house uses about 10Mw/y, and an electric car is about 4Mw/y, so it's a pretty substantial increase, but it's not insane.
ZeroGravitas 4y ago
They didn't "lose" capacity, they intentionally shut down coal and some old inefficient gas plants because they were expensive and polluting. That's a good thing. Cheaper energy, less death and disease.