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The United States has employment laws. Hiring someone as a contractor and then treating them like an employee also likely violates US law.

roywiggins 4y ago
I feel like there has to be a legal difference between treating someone like an employee and requiring, say, your contractor Bob to be the one signing in with their credentials bob01 and not his subcontractor Bill.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  Why would it matter who is signing in as long as whoever does the work follows the same agreement standards? Sounds an awful lot like controlling what will be done and how it will be done, which is the definition of an employee.
  - roywiggins 4y ago
    I guess I can't imagine a situation where Bill is contracted at a temp agency, turns around and hires Bob, and when Bob shows up with Bill's badge and is refused entry, and Bill somehow wins a lawsuit on the theory that Bill must be allowed to subcontract and anyone he subcontracts to must be allowed on-site to perform the work, no matter what. Like, not giving out your password (or badge, or key, or whatever) to someone else is a pretty core job responsibility!
    - encryptluks2 4y ago
      If they are contracted at a temp agency, then they are taking on the risks Bill would be an employee of the temp agency... Employee misclassification is frequently abused so don't get me wrong, I think it happens a lot, but in many cases people are misclassified.
happyopossum 4y ago
The employee / contractor thing may be a violation of IRS regulations (depends on a lot of factors). Lying to obtain a contract, and lying about who is doing the work and who has access to any sensitive materials related to the work is straight up fraud, so I wouldn’t want to get into a legal pissing match over it.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  > lying about who is doing the work and who has access to any sensitive materials related to the work is straight up fraud Fraud would require a contract saying X is doing the work, which is controlling what will be done and how it will be done which means they would be classified as an employee.

roywiggins 4y ago

I feel like there has to be a legal difference between treating someone like an employee and requiring, say, your contractor Bob to be the one signing in with their credentials bob01 and not his subcontractor Bill.

encryptluks2 4y ago
Why would it matter who is signing in as long as whoever does the work follows the same agreement standards? Sounds an awful lot like controlling what will be done and how it will be done, which is the definition of an employee.
- roywiggins 4y ago
  I guess I can't imagine a situation where Bill is contracted at a temp agency, turns around and hires Bob, and when Bob shows up with Bill's badge and is refused entry, and Bill somehow wins a lawsuit on the theory that Bill must be allowed to subcontract and anyone he subcontracts to must be allowed on-site to perform the work, no matter what. Like, not giving out your password (or badge, or key, or whatever) to someone else is a pretty core job responsibility!
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    If they are contracted at a temp agency, then they are taking on the risks Bill would be an employee of the temp agency... Employee misclassification is frequently abused so don't get me wrong, I think it happens a lot, but in many cases people are misclassified.

happyopossum 4y ago

The employee / contractor thing may be a violation of IRS regulations (depends on a lot of factors). Lying to obtain a contract, and lying about who is doing the work and who has access to any sensitive materials related to the work is straight up fraud, so I wouldn’t want to get into a legal pissing match over it.

encryptluks2 4y ago
> lying about who is doing the work and who has access to any sensitive materials related to the work is straight up fraud Fraud would require a contract saying X is doing the work, which is controlling what will be done and how it will be done which means they would be classified as an employee.