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So why do they want to put every car on the grid too if they can’t even manage current demand? I hope most people realize policies like this mean a lower standa

So why do they want to put every car on the grid too if they can’t even manage current demand? I hope most people realize policies like this mean a lower standard of living for the lower classes.

elicash 4y ago
The good news is that Congress appropriated money to update the grid so it can manage more demand. Are you really suggesting that, instead, we should ban appliances and other items like electric cars that use electricity? And why pretend not to know why CA favors electric cars? I'm pretty sure you're aware of the debate over climate change causing extreme weather events -- including events that cause strain on the grid. One can argue California is moving too quickly, I think. They in fact may end up pushing back their deadlines--I think that's likely. But to suggest electric cars are an unmanageable problem?
teaearlgraycold 4y ago
If people had the right hardware at home CA could put electric cars to use as distributed power storage.
epistasis 4y ago
It's only a short period of the day, 4-9, where there are constraints on these hot days. Other times of day there's ample capacity. And car charging is a great sort of grid demand, because it's easily shiftable to other time periods. Most cars are parked nearly all the time. And as car companies become more enlightened and allow vehicle to grid, scenarios like this will vanish. It wouldn't take a large fraction of cars in a V2G program to eliminate the problems here, especially since cars are so close to the load, which also helps with transmission and distribution. 1 million cars would be 5-10GW, completely eliminating any worries for this week. And this is without the many GW of grid storage that is due to go online, but temporarily delayed because of COVID pandemic related parts delays.
secabeen 4y ago
Because the vast majority of those cars will charge at night, when the grid has tons of capacity. No one is suggesting that those cars will charge during the 4pm-9pm window. It's more expensive to do so, and there's little benefit to it.
hedora 4y ago
We're producing more power than we need during the day, and that's a great time to charge commuter cars. Also, the state is literally burning down due to climate change. If you want to talk about standards of living for lower classes, look at what our PM 2.5 levels do during fire season. (On those days, the middle class and up buys HEPA filters close ther windows and crank up the AC.)

So why do they want to put every car on the grid too if they can’t even manage current demand? I hope most people realize policies like this mean a lower standard of living for the lower classes.

elicash 4y ago

The good news is that Congress appropriated money to update the grid so it can manage more demand. Are you really suggesting that, instead, we should ban appliances and other items like electric cars that use electricity? And why pretend not to know why CA favors electric cars? I'm pretty sure you're aware of the debate over climate change causing extreme weather events -- including events that cause strain on the grid. One can argue California is moving too quickly, I think. They in fact may end up pushing back their deadlines--I think that's likely. But to suggest electric cars are an unmanageable problem?

teaearlgraycold 4y ago

If people had the right hardware at home CA could put electric cars to use as distributed power storage.

epistasis 4y ago

It's only a short period of the day, 4-9, where there are constraints on these hot days. Other times of day there's ample capacity. And car charging is a great sort of grid demand, because it's easily shiftable to other time periods. Most cars are parked nearly all the time. And as car companies become more enlightened and allow vehicle to grid, scenarios like this will vanish. It wouldn't take a large fraction of cars in a V2G program to eliminate the problems here, especially since cars are so close to the load, which also helps with transmission and distribution. 1 million cars would be 5-10GW, completely eliminating any worries for this week. And this is without the many GW of grid storage that is due to go online, but temporarily delayed because of COVID pandemic related parts delays.

secabeen 4y ago

Because the vast majority of those cars will charge at night, when the grid has tons of capacity. No one is suggesting that those cars will charge during the 4pm-9pm window. It's more expensive to do so, and there's little benefit to it.

hedora 4y ago

We're producing more power than we need during the day, and that's a great time to charge commuter cars. Also, the state is literally burning down due to climate change. If you want to talk about standards of living for lower classes, look at what our PM 2.5 levels do during fire season. (On those days, the middle class and up buys HEPA filters close ther windows and crank up the AC.)