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Providing information about how to source drugs (and even encouraging people to take them) is not the same as drug trafficking. Erowid is not the Silk Road. As

Providing information about how to source drugs (and even encouraging people to take them) is not the same as drug trafficking. Erowid is not the Silk Road. As for the second allegation, I haven’t seen any substantiation. But I do know that in some circles any discussion in any context (eg: school) about sexual identity with teenagers has come to be considered “grooming” so I’m a bit suspect about the choice of words.

0xy 4y ago
- artifact_44 4y ago
  I Keffals broke the law, then that is a matter for law enforcement. It's not the purview of an internet hate mob acting as judge, jury, and executioner. Every defense I've seen of kiwifarms is exactly like yours. Some insinuations about how "distasteful" an individual is, and then an implied "Can you really blame them for going after him/her?"
  - verisimilitudes 4y ago
    If Kiwifarms broke the law, then that is a matter for law enforcement. It's not the purview of an internet cartel and hate mob acting as judge, jury, and executioner. Every defense I've seen of censorship is exactly like yours. Some insinuations about how "distasteful" a group is, and then an implied "Can you really blame them for going after it?"
    - drewbug01 4y ago
      The comparison here is clever, certainly. But the scope matters: KF relentlessly attacks individuals, to the point of suicide. The anti-KF campaign only seeks to take KF offline by making it too expensive for hosting providers. Nobody is trying to SWAT the guy behind KF. It is a huge, consequential difference.
      - deadbeeves 4y ago
        >KF relentlessly attacks individuals This is just untrue for the most part. Some users of KF have harassed some people, sure. But the point of the forum has never been that. I will however concede that the nature of the forum tends to attract such people.
        Teever 4y ago
        I stumbled across the kiwifarms matrix server about a year ago and I have to say that if the content I saw where was any indication you're dead wrong. The people who participated there were scum, absolute scum. I saw nothing redeemable about anything kiwifarms did.
        cuteboy19 4y ago
        > point of the forum has never been that Now this I find doubtful considering everything else in this post. If anything the point has been exactly that with the exception of provably illegal things
      - _vvaw 4y ago
        He has already been swatted multiple times. In the past trans activists have shown up at his house with weapons, looking for him. Keffals doxed his mom on Twitter a few days ago, posting her full face photo and calling for her firing while lying about her links (there are none) to her son's website: https://archive.ph/15nHu https://archive.ph/15nHu
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bobzimuta 4y ago
> Providing information about how to source drugs (and even encouraging people to take them) is not the same as drug trafficking. And coincidentally posting dox is not the same as SWATing someone. Anti-KF people will say they're close enough and anti-Keffals people will say the same about the DIY HRT website & marketplaces it lists. "We don't do X, but we give you all the information to do it"

0xy 4y ago

artifact_44 4y ago
I Keffals broke the law, then that is a matter for law enforcement. It's not the purview of an internet hate mob acting as judge, jury, and executioner. Every defense I've seen of kiwifarms is exactly like yours. Some insinuations about how "distasteful" an individual is, and then an implied "Can you really blame them for going after him/her?"
- verisimilitudes 4y ago
  If Kiwifarms broke the law, then that is a matter for law enforcement. It's not the purview of an internet cartel and hate mob acting as judge, jury, and executioner. Every defense I've seen of censorship is exactly like yours. Some insinuations about how "distasteful" a group is, and then an implied "Can you really blame them for going after it?"
  - drewbug01 4y ago
    The comparison here is clever, certainly. But the scope matters: KF relentlessly attacks individuals, to the point of suicide. The anti-KF campaign only seeks to take KF offline by making it too expensive for hosting providers. Nobody is trying to SWAT the guy behind KF. It is a huge, consequential difference.
    - deadbeeves 4y ago
      >KF relentlessly attacks individuals This is just untrue for the most part. Some users of KF have harassed some people, sure. But the point of the forum has never been that. I will however concede that the nature of the forum tends to attract such people.
      - Teever 4y ago
        I stumbled across the kiwifarms matrix server about a year ago and I have to say that if the content I saw where was any indication you're dead wrong. The people who participated there were scum, absolute scum. I saw nothing redeemable about anything kiwifarms did.
      - cuteboy19 4y ago
        > point of the forum has never been that Now this I find doubtful considering everything else in this post. If anything the point has been exactly that with the exception of provably illegal things
    - _vvaw 4y ago
      He has already been swatted multiple times. In the past trans activists have shown up at his house with weapons, looking for him. Keffals doxed his mom on Twitter a few days ago, posting her full face photo and calling for her firing while lying about her links (there are none) to her son's website: https://archive.ph/15nHu https://archive.ph/15nHu

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bobzimuta 4y ago

> Providing information about how to source drugs (and even encouraging people to take them) is not the same as drug trafficking. And coincidentally posting dox is not the same as SWATing someone. Anti-KF people will say they're close enough and anti-Keffals people will say the same about the DIY HRT website & marketplaces it lists. "We don't do X, but we give you all the information to do it"