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Not correct, the current rating doesn't reflect growing player's strength. It takes time for them to accrue rating. Alireza used to be beat players 200 points h

Not correct, the current rating doesn't reflect growing player's strength. It takes time for them to accrue rating. Alireza used to be beat players 200 points higher as he was climbing through the ladders. Hans just topped 2700. There is also the reverse side of the coin that top players peak at a rating and then decline as they age. Not saying Magnus is, but it is not a possibility that can be ruled out.

peter422 4y ago
Magnus has played tons and tons of chess games this year and has maintained his rating. There is no doubt his rating is very accurate unless you think his skill started to deteriorate in the last month.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  What if Hans is actually rated higher than his current rating, seems quite plausible, no? ELO has pros and cons; it is not some law of nature: https://en.chessbase.com/post/what-s-wrong-with-the-elo-system https://en.chessbase.com/post/what-s-wrong-with-the-elo-syst...
  - peter422 4y ago
    I think your point is fine for Hans, I’m just ruling out the possibility that Magnus is overrated. The reason a lot of older players are overrated is because they stop playing as often and their rating doesn’t catch up to their decline. Magnus plays a ton so that isn’t a concern. For elite younger players, no matter how much they play, they are getting better so quickly that the rating can’t catch up. Younger players also get better much much faster than older players decline. It might take a decade for a GM past their prime to drop 100 ELO, whereas a young player can easily add 100 ELO in a year on their way to super GM status.
squidbeak 4y ago
Alireza was able to speak accurately and in depth in his post game interviews along the way. Niemann doesn't seem able to do this.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  What are you talking about? He talked for 17 mins and according to GothamChess and PowerPlayChess, it was one of the best chess interviews ever. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeJrItfQqw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeJrItfQqw I don't get it. HN seems to be always on the skeptical side when accusing anyone, here we're seeing people pile up on Hans without any evidence whatsoever. The fact of the matter is, no one knows why Magnus quit.
  - enneff 4y ago
    On the specific line Hans dodges the discussion. FWIW Gotham et al are just happy about the interview for the entertainment factor, when most post game interviews are very dry and boring.
  - FreakLegion 4y ago
    > it was one of the best chess interviews ever It was, but for reasons having nothing to do with his analysis of the game. Stronger players like Hikaru have dismantled Hans' last two interviews pretty convincingly[1]. Those interviews and his history of being banned from chess.com seem to be driving the current speculation more than Hans' actual play. The interview after Magnus was great because Hans was saying things like "He's just so demoralized because he's losing to an idiot like me. It must be embarrassing for the world champion to lose to me." People were excited to have a "Conor McGregor of chess", so to speak. That's it. 1. See short clips at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETzdxK7QUmg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETzdxK7QUmg and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qTs-eFgLqc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qTs-eFgLqc for example.
    - systemvoltage 4y ago
      I don't want to defend Hans further, but Alireza and many other GM's have been falsely banned on Chess.com. It means absolutely nothing. All I suggest is to stop this speculation, let's wait for evidence and if it is true, then fuck Hans. But at this point, I am just seeing a giant mob coming after him including on HN which is kind of appalling. We need to be better including Hikaru Nakamura, he seems to be also doing it for the views. Hikaru's accusation or speculations have also been mocked on Twitter. This just got posted by Gotham, absolutely level headed and facts based: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDUmS_MJceU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDUmS_MJceU

peter422 4y ago

Magnus has played tons and tons of chess games this year and has maintained his rating. There is no doubt his rating is very accurate unless you think his skill started to deteriorate in the last month.

systemvoltage 4y ago
What if Hans is actually rated higher than his current rating, seems quite plausible, no? ELO has pros and cons; it is not some law of nature: https://en.chessbase.com/post/what-s-wrong-with-the-elo-system https://en.chessbase.com/post/what-s-wrong-with-the-elo-syst...
- peter422 4y ago
  I think your point is fine for Hans, I’m just ruling out the possibility that Magnus is overrated. The reason a lot of older players are overrated is because they stop playing as often and their rating doesn’t catch up to their decline. Magnus plays a ton so that isn’t a concern. For elite younger players, no matter how much they play, they are getting better so quickly that the rating can’t catch up. Younger players also get better much much faster than older players decline. It might take a decade for a GM past their prime to drop 100 ELO, whereas a young player can easily add 100 ELO in a year on their way to super GM status.

squidbeak 4y ago

Alireza was able to speak accurately and in depth in his post game interviews along the way. Niemann doesn't seem able to do this.

systemvoltage 4y ago
What are you talking about? He talked for 17 mins and according to GothamChess and PowerPlayChess, it was one of the best chess interviews ever. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeJrItfQqw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeJrItfQqw I don't get it. HN seems to be always on the skeptical side when accusing anyone, here we're seeing people pile up on Hans without any evidence whatsoever. The fact of the matter is, no one knows why Magnus quit.
- enneff 4y ago
  On the specific line Hans dodges the discussion. FWIW Gotham et al are just happy about the interview for the entertainment factor, when most post game interviews are very dry and boring.
- FreakLegion 4y ago
  > it was one of the best chess interviews ever It was, but for reasons having nothing to do with his analysis of the game. Stronger players like Hikaru have dismantled Hans' last two interviews pretty convincingly[1]. Those interviews and his history of being banned from chess.com seem to be driving the current speculation more than Hans' actual play. The interview after Magnus was great because Hans was saying things like "He's just so demoralized because he's losing to an idiot like me. It must be embarrassing for the world champion to lose to me." People were excited to have a "Conor McGregor of chess", so to speak. That's it. 1. See short clips at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETzdxK7QUmg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETzdxK7QUmg and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qTs-eFgLqc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qTs-eFgLqc for example.
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    I don't want to defend Hans further, but Alireza and many other GM's have been falsely banned on Chess.com. It means absolutely nothing. All I suggest is to stop this speculation, let's wait for evidence and if it is true, then fuck Hans. But at this point, I am just seeing a giant mob coming after him including on HN which is kind of appalling. We need to be better including Hikaru Nakamura, he seems to be also doing it for the views. Hikaru's accusation or speculations have also been mocked on Twitter. This just got posted by Gotham, absolutely level headed and facts based: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDUmS_MJceU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDUmS_MJceU