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I know that the Heart and Stroke Foundation (which I assume has good intentions) has long been telling people to avoid saturated fat and sodium, when it's not c

I know that the Heart and Stroke Foundation (which I assume has good intentions) has long been telling people to avoid saturated fat and sodium, when it's not completely clear these are bad for all people (some can be sensitive to sodium for example). At some level it's probably not bad advice to limit intake of these things, but what ends up happening is that recommendations are for absurdly low levels (2400mg sodium/day eg) that make many people not bother even trying. It's like telling people they need to get 150 minutes of exercise a week. How about starting by taking the stairs. Anyway, I think it makes it even less credible when you see things like this that say it may not even be a problem. I believe focusing on things that are unambiguously good, and positive trumps trying to prohibit or restrict things that are cornerstones of many diets.

agumonkey 4y ago
There's also a shallow aspect in quantitative only messages. Your body is complex and soft, move more but move smart, move soft, breath deep, pay attention. Move in groups, focus on energy efficiency. Your cardio vascular system is a bit of a plumbing.. so lay flat at times to move the blood more easily. Yoga people also aim at matching breathing oxygen intake, lung sucking blood to improve the overall blood flow efficiency. This kind of approaches should be more efficient than just zumba hard at the gym club.
feet 4y ago
2.4g sodium is only "low" if you're eating a lot of processed foods It really isn't that low
- hilbert42 4y ago
  Right. I don't put NaCl on anything I eat except perhaps fries which I'd only have a few times a year yet I reckon I consume considerably more than 2.4g a day. It's put in every conceivable thing we eat that we don't cook ourselves. Either we become obsessive home cooking fanatic or we exceed that limit.
  - feet 4y ago
    Personally I track my nutrients with cronometer and I make 70% of my food from scratch by meal prepping and I don't add table salt to anything. If I don't use salt when seasoning my chicken my sodium intake is around 1g per day Is it really considered obsessive to cook meals yourself? That sounds so bizarre to me
    - hilbert42 4y ago
      No it's not. But one has to be obsessive if one's to keep the salt below 2.4g and do so every day! For me, cooking is a chore however I eat mostly at home. Two issues: almost everything other than vegetables has salt it, even packs of herbs. OK, I can run without condiments and herbs of any kind but it's damn boring. The other issue: you tell me how one can cook for a family and keep the food salt-free. They wouldn't stand for it. Riot time, anyone? Edit: the key issue here is lowering the consumption of salt across the whole population. You obviously like cooking and that's fine. But look at the stats, people not only in the US but all over the world are eating out more than ever, cafe culture seems to have taken over the world. The moment you eat out you've lost control over the salt content.
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      - feet 4y ago
        I actually don't like cooking, I do it to save money and to control my nutrient intake. It takes about one to two hours per week to do meal prep which gives me lunch and dinner for the whole week. Breakfast is usually fruit and possibly some oatmeal and protein shake. Mostly whey with a little casein. Veg, rice, and chicken barely have any sodium content naturally. Same with potatoes. Most unprocessed foods don't, it's only when you get to stuff that has preservatives that there's a bunch of sodium like the other commenter mentioned. If you buy it in a package, if it has a long shelf life (longer than a few days to a week or so) then it is likely highly processed and contains preservatives. You don't have to keep food salt free when you cook unprocessed foods, you can season with salt. Have you actually looked at the nutrient content for unprocessed foods?
mjthrowaway1 4y ago
As crazy as it sounds 2.5hr of exercise per week is not a crazy expectation to care for one’s health.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  As someone who exceeds this apparent low bar, I only do it because I’m highly motivated to care for my pup. Before I had her, I had a lot of difficulty motivating myself to be more active than was basically necessary. Don’t get me wrong, 2.5 hours of physical activity per week feels low to me now, I even expect I’ll go stir crazy as my opportunities to enjoyably get that activity outdoors is waning with the season change. But 35 years of a mostly sedentary life was not an easy thing to course change, and even my most successful endeavors weren’t as resilient as idle defaults I had as a child. And I know plenty of people whose early life inertia was far less active than my own. 2.5 hours of exercise a week is about 1.5 miles walking at a pace that raises your heart rate every day. Doesn’t sound like much, if you’re doing it, but sounds like a lot if you’re not moving much. And it sounds like a lot more if you’re stressed about or cramped for time. I’m trying to strike a balance here where I know the benefits and I also know the challenge of embracing them. For people who want to be more active and would benefit from external motivation, but don't feel ready for major permanent life commitment changes, I highly recommend offering to watch after someone else’s child or dog for a limited time… or even their house plants, if you can walk over to water them. Assuming you feel you can rise to the occasion. You’ll be active because you have to, you’ll likely find it very rewarding in its own right, and you’ll have built a temporary routine around the activity that’s less focused on motivating you and more comfortable because of that.
umangsh 4y ago
FDA RDIs are useful as an average guideline imo, while individual acceptable limits can vary. 2300 mg/day (https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfrsearch.cfm?fr=101.9 https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfr...) Sodium is not that hard to exceed when consuming processed foods: 1. One serving of TGI Friday fries is 33% of daily sodium intake: https://www.famnom.com/my_food/8eaaea4d-e97d-4a38-8125-4b9231726859/ https://www.famnom.com/my_food/8eaaea4d-e97d-4a38-8125-4b923... 2. One cheese pizza slice is 28%: https://www.famnom.com/my_food/485759ea-8507-4af7-9efe-bf61b9ea39c2/ https://www.famnom.com/my_food/485759ea-8507-4af7-9efe-bf61b... Eat food, not too much, mostly unprocessed foods.

agumonkey 4y ago

There's also a shallow aspect in quantitative only messages. Your body is complex and soft, move more but move smart, move soft, breath deep, pay attention. Move in groups, focus on energy efficiency. Your cardio vascular system is a bit of a plumbing.. so lay flat at times to move the blood more easily. Yoga people also aim at matching breathing oxygen intake, lung sucking blood to improve the overall blood flow efficiency. This kind of approaches should be more efficient than just zumba hard at the gym club.

feet 4y ago

2.4g sodium is only "low" if you're eating a lot of processed foods It really isn't that low

hilbert42 4y ago
Right. I don't put NaCl on anything I eat except perhaps fries which I'd only have a few times a year yet I reckon I consume considerably more than 2.4g a day. It's put in every conceivable thing we eat that we don't cook ourselves. Either we become obsessive home cooking fanatic or we exceed that limit.
- feet 4y ago
  Personally I track my nutrients with cronometer and I make 70% of my food from scratch by meal prepping and I don't add table salt to anything. If I don't use salt when seasoning my chicken my sodium intake is around 1g per day Is it really considered obsessive to cook meals yourself? That sounds so bizarre to me
  - hilbert42 4y ago
    No it's not. But one has to be obsessive if one's to keep the salt below 2.4g and do so every day! For me, cooking is a chore however I eat mostly at home. Two issues: almost everything other than vegetables has salt it, even packs of herbs. OK, I can run without condiments and herbs of any kind but it's damn boring. The other issue: you tell me how one can cook for a family and keep the food salt-free. They wouldn't stand for it. Riot time, anyone? Edit: the key issue here is lowering the consumption of salt across the whole population. You obviously like cooking and that's fine. But look at the stats, people not only in the US but all over the world are eating out more than ever, cafe culture seems to have taken over the world. The moment you eat out you've lost control over the salt content.
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    - feet 4y ago
      I actually don't like cooking, I do it to save money and to control my nutrient intake. It takes about one to two hours per week to do meal prep which gives me lunch and dinner for the whole week. Breakfast is usually fruit and possibly some oatmeal and protein shake. Mostly whey with a little casein. Veg, rice, and chicken barely have any sodium content naturally. Same with potatoes. Most unprocessed foods don't, it's only when you get to stuff that has preservatives that there's a bunch of sodium like the other commenter mentioned. If you buy it in a package, if it has a long shelf life (longer than a few days to a week or so) then it is likely highly processed and contains preservatives. You don't have to keep food salt free when you cook unprocessed foods, you can season with salt. Have you actually looked at the nutrient content for unprocessed foods?

mjthrowaway1 4y ago

As crazy as it sounds 2.5hr of exercise per week is not a crazy expectation to care for one’s health.

eyelidlessness 4y ago
As someone who exceeds this apparent low bar, I only do it because I’m highly motivated to care for my pup. Before I had her, I had a lot of difficulty motivating myself to be more active than was basically necessary. Don’t get me wrong, 2.5 hours of physical activity per week feels low to me now, I even expect I’ll go stir crazy as my opportunities to enjoyably get that activity outdoors is waning with the season change. But 35 years of a mostly sedentary life was not an easy thing to course change, and even my most successful endeavors weren’t as resilient as idle defaults I had as a child. And I know plenty of people whose early life inertia was far less active than my own. 2.5 hours of exercise a week is about 1.5 miles walking at a pace that raises your heart rate every day. Doesn’t sound like much, if you’re doing it, but sounds like a lot if you’re not moving much. And it sounds like a lot more if you’re stressed about or cramped for time. I’m trying to strike a balance here where I know the benefits and I also know the challenge of embracing them. For people who want to be more active and would benefit from external motivation, but don't feel ready for major permanent life commitment changes, I highly recommend offering to watch after someone else’s child or dog for a limited time… or even their house plants, if you can walk over to water them. Assuming you feel you can rise to the occasion. You’ll be active because you have to, you’ll likely find it very rewarding in its own right, and you’ll have built a temporary routine around the activity that’s less focused on motivating you and more comfortable because of that.

umangsh 4y ago

FDA RDIs are useful as an average guideline imo, while individual acceptable limits can vary. 2300 mg/day (https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfrsearch.cfm?fr=101.9 https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfr...) Sodium is not that hard to exceed when consuming processed foods: 1. One serving of TGI Friday fries is 33% of daily sodium intake: https://www.famnom.com/my_food/8eaaea4d-e97d-4a38-8125-4b9231726859/ https://www.famnom.com/my_food/8eaaea4d-e97d-4a38-8125-4b923... 2. One cheese pizza slice is 28%: https://www.famnom.com/my_food/485759ea-8507-4af7-9efe-bf61b9ea39c2/ https://www.famnom.com/my_food/485759ea-8507-4af7-9efe-bf61b... Eat food, not too much, mostly unprocessed foods.