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> and the latter clearly pushing for a permanent division of Ukraine No, Russia is clearly pushing for the eradication of the Ukrainian nation and, as a longe
by tauntz 4y ago
> and the latter clearly pushing for a permanent division of Ukraine
No, Russia is clearly pushing for the eradication of the Ukrainian nation and, as a longer term goal, the re-establishment of the Soviet Union in one form or the other (this means invading and destroying other countries).
> negotiated settlement in Ukraine and a lifting of sanctions on Russia
It's so easy to say that as somebody clearly not living in a country in the "sphere of Russian influence", isn't it? Let others die so you could enjoy your cheap energy. Sorry, I can't take this comment in good faith :(
- nathanaldensr 4y ago> clearly Source?
- 314 4y agoSpeeches and foreign-policy by Putin. Asking for a source is clearly not acting in good faith to pursue a discussion.
- zosima 4y ago> No, Russia is clearly pushing for the eradication of the Ukrainian nation and, as a longer term goal, the re-establishment of the Soviet Union in one form or the other (this means invading and destroying other countries). This is pure speculation. And as far as I can tell, Russia, while obviously fighting a deplorable aggressive war, has not occupied territory outside of the fairly old parts of Russia, Novorossiya and Malorossyia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Russia Western parts of Ukraine have a quite different history, and is not historically nor population-wise as connected to Russia as the Malorossyia and Novorossiya. Also nobody is dying for cheap energy. You want to stop people dying for dumb reasons, then stop the war and negotiate peace. I don't think the average citizen is going to experience much difference in quality of life, being ruled by a Russian oligarch or an Ukrainian oligarch.
- pjc50 4y ago> stop the war and negotiate peace How? And where (at what line of control)? It takes both parties to reach a peace.
- eggsmediumrare 4y agoMy understanding is that they are only occupying areas they managed to take.
- zosima 4y agoClearly. Though I don't think they have indicated any interest in annexing most of Ukraine. Rather the original plan seems to have been to install a puppet government in Kiev. And when that failed, they decided to take the easternmost Ukraine + an area around Crimea. Which makes total sense as their major naval base in the black sea has always been in Sevastopol, Crimea. And they'd want transport to there that doesn't go through a potential Nato country.