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> the new terms are instead, “governed and construed in accordance with the laws of the jurisdiction where you are a resident.” This could be good or bad, depen

> the new terms are instead, “governed and construed in accordance with the laws of the jurisdiction where you are a resident.” This could be good or bad, depending on where you live. I'd like to see what happens when someone in Afghanistan with a late-model Samsung android phone files a lawsuit against them in the Taliban's local sharia law court.

gambiting 4y ago
Absolutely nothing because obviously they won't show up, Samsung doesn't have any presence in Afganistan, and Taliban do not have any ability to enforce their rulings outside of Afganistan.
HarryHirsch 4y ago
You may laugh, but the local sharia judges generally have a reputation of being impartial and of not taking bribes. Apparently it's not uncommon to agree to have a dispute arbitrated by a kadi both parties agree on. Regular court is just hopelessly corrupt.
vorpalhex 4y ago
I know this is tongue-in-cheek, but one of the reasons why the Taliban was tolerated in many areas is because they had very comprehensive courts that took cases quickly and gave justice swiftly (but probably not very fairly). There is a story of a taliban fighter who had stolen from a local. The local opened a case at the local taliban court. Judge agreed with the local and whacked off the fighters hand right there. Anyways, Samsung v Owner in a taliban court would be entertaining for sure.
- int_19h 4y ago
  I talked to a refugee from Afghanistan sometime back in 2005. He said that Taliban were extremist fanatics, but also claimed that they were the only faction under whom stable living was possible at the time, because, harsh as their laws were, they at least had laws and enforced them more or less consistently. OTOH, he claimed that Northern Alliance was little more than looters and rapists in practice, regardless of declared goals. I found that an interesting take, and perhaps it explains why Taliban could take over so quickly once US moved out (given that the US-backed Afghan govt was effectively the continuation of the Northern Alliance).
  - tsol 4y ago
    This isn't uncommon. I recall reading an article from the point of a woman in Afghanistan, where she said as much. The Taliban has issues, but the US army that empowered unjust warlords were much worse. > Nearly every person Shakira knew had a story about Dado. Once, his fighters demanded that two young men either pay a tax or join his private militia, which he maintained despite holding his official post. When they refused, his fighters beat them to death, stringing their bodies up from a tree. A villager recalled, “We went to cut them down, and they had been sliced open, their stomachs coming out.” In another village, Dado’s forces went from house to house, executing people suspected of being Taliban; an elderly scholar who’d never belonged to the movement was shot dead >When I asked Shakira and other women from the valley to reflect on Taliban rule, they were unwilling to judge the movement against some universal standard—only against what had come before. “They were softer,” Pazaro, the woman who lived in a neighboring village, said. “They were dealing with us respectfully.” The women described their lives under the Taliban as identical to their lives under Dado and the mujahideen—minus the strangers barging through the doors at night, the deadly checkpoints. >“My daughter wakes up screaming that the Americans are coming,” Pazaro said. “We have to keep talking to her softly, and tell her, ‘No, no, they won’t come back.’ So as a result you have people who don't agree with the Taliban ideologically, joining them just to keep American empowered war lords from killing civilians; >But in countryside enclaves like Sangin the ceaseless killings of civilians led many Afghans to gravitate toward the Taliban. By 2010, many households in Ishaqzai villages had sons in the Taliban, most of whom had joined simply to protect themselves or to take revenge; the movement was more thoroughly integrated into Sangin life than it had been in the nineties. Now, when Shakira and her friends discussed the Taliban, they were discussing their own friends, neighbors, and loved ones. Unfortunately these real stories aren't told. I consider myself a liberal, but the amount of liberals bemoaning America leaving Afghanistan was scary. People completely convinced they know the best thing for these people they never met, while American journalism made it clear that the death and rape of American rule in the Afghanistan countryside was not the feminist human rights- filled utopia some still think it was. When you see this, it makes sense why they so easily took over. https://www.newyorker.com./magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women https://www.newyorker.com./magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afg...
    - 4y ago

gambiting 4y ago

Absolutely nothing because obviously they won't show up, Samsung doesn't have any presence in Afganistan, and Taliban do not have any ability to enforce their rulings outside of Afganistan.

HarryHirsch 4y ago

You may laugh, but the local sharia judges generally have a reputation of being impartial and of not taking bribes. Apparently it's not uncommon to agree to have a dispute arbitrated by a kadi both parties agree on. Regular court is just hopelessly corrupt.

vorpalhex 4y ago

I know this is tongue-in-cheek, but one of the reasons why the Taliban was tolerated in many areas is because they had very comprehensive courts that took cases quickly and gave justice swiftly (but probably not very fairly). There is a story of a taliban fighter who had stolen from a local. The local opened a case at the local taliban court. Judge agreed with the local and whacked off the fighters hand right there. Anyways, Samsung v Owner in a taliban court would be entertaining for sure.

int_19h 4y ago
I talked to a refugee from Afghanistan sometime back in 2005. He said that Taliban were extremist fanatics, but also claimed that they were the only faction under whom stable living was possible at the time, because, harsh as their laws were, they at least had laws and enforced them more or less consistently. OTOH, he claimed that Northern Alliance was little more than looters and rapists in practice, regardless of declared goals. I found that an interesting take, and perhaps it explains why Taliban could take over so quickly once US moved out (given that the US-backed Afghan govt was effectively the continuation of the Northern Alliance).
- tsol 4y ago
  This isn't uncommon. I recall reading an article from the point of a woman in Afghanistan, where she said as much. The Taliban has issues, but the US army that empowered unjust warlords were much worse. > Nearly every person Shakira knew had a story about Dado. Once, his fighters demanded that two young men either pay a tax or join his private militia, which he maintained despite holding his official post. When they refused, his fighters beat them to death, stringing their bodies up from a tree. A villager recalled, “We went to cut them down, and they had been sliced open, their stomachs coming out.” In another village, Dado’s forces went from house to house, executing people suspected of being Taliban; an elderly scholar who’d never belonged to the movement was shot dead >When I asked Shakira and other women from the valley to reflect on Taliban rule, they were unwilling to judge the movement against some universal standard—only against what had come before. “They were softer,” Pazaro, the woman who lived in a neighboring village, said. “They were dealing with us respectfully.” The women described their lives under the Taliban as identical to their lives under Dado and the mujahideen—minus the strangers barging through the doors at night, the deadly checkpoints. >“My daughter wakes up screaming that the Americans are coming,” Pazaro said. “We have to keep talking to her softly, and tell her, ‘No, no, they won’t come back.’ So as a result you have people who don't agree with the Taliban ideologically, joining them just to keep American empowered war lords from killing civilians; >But in countryside enclaves like Sangin the ceaseless killings of civilians led many Afghans to gravitate toward the Taliban. By 2010, many households in Ishaqzai villages had sons in the Taliban, most of whom had joined simply to protect themselves or to take revenge; the movement was more thoroughly integrated into Sangin life than it had been in the nineties. Now, when Shakira and her friends discussed the Taliban, they were discussing their own friends, neighbors, and loved ones. Unfortunately these real stories aren't told. I consider myself a liberal, but the amount of liberals bemoaning America leaving Afghanistan was scary. People completely convinced they know the best thing for these people they never met, while American journalism made it clear that the death and rape of American rule in the Afghanistan countryside was not the feminist human rights- filled utopia some still think it was. When you see this, it makes sense why they so easily took over. https://www.newyorker.com./magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women https://www.newyorker.com./magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afg...
  - 4y ago