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Idk I like it so far. I don't understand the hype about giving bad reviews for short haired elves. This review hazard will only make them not producing more se

Idk I like it so far. I don't understand the hype about giving bad reviews for short haired elves. This review hazard will only make them not producing more seasons. The reviewers earn nothing by this and ruin it for those who like the new approach. While some may have point, I believe it only became a sport to give bad reviews to personally annoy Jeff.

Calvin02 4y ago
Yeah, same here. I didn’t go in with much expectations and found it interesting and well done. I’m eagerly waiting for episode 3.
proc0 4y ago
Elves are supposed to be a different species of humanoid, so making them more human-like by thinking they're supposed to be a certain way that humans are doesn't feel like the source material. It's important to adhere to that source because they are using the name for recognition. They could have just made a new fantasy story with short hair elves, and I think that would have been judged on its own.
- rimunroe 4y ago
  In the source material they look pretty much just like Men. The most consistent difference seems to be their height (they’re taller than Men) and the fact that their bodies don’t really age at the same rate. There’s never any mention of them having pointy ears, or any other obvious physical characteristic. I think there are several places across the Silmarillion and other books where it’s mentioned that some Men are mistaken for Elves. If I recall correctly, this happened with Túrin, who was given the name Adanedhel (“Man-Elf”), which he got because he was so alike to them. The Wizards are given the appearance of old men, but the Men think that they’re elves. Gandalf’s name comes from the Old Norse for “wand/staff elf”. In-universe, in the north he was known as “The Elf of the Wand”, because Men mistook him for an Elf. Also, I’m not sure that calling them a “different species” is accurate. They certainly can produce offspring with Men just fine.
  - proc0 4y ago
    Then i guess don't give them pointy ears. I remember reading they had long hair, regardless they are called something different and have completely different lives. > They certainly can produce offspring with Men just fine. While true, in fantasy all kinds of mixes are possible that result in creatures like minotaurs, half-orcs, half-demons, half-dragons, etc., and those are obviously not human.
    - elcamino44 4y ago
      But because of a vague memory about something you read sometime (which looks like it was wrong), the presence of short-haired elves breaks your immersion and damages your enjoyment of the show?
      - proc0 4y ago
        Ok, well I'm just alluding that there's probably source material around certain differences. I wouldn't mind short-haired elves, but personally I'd want some justification that makes sense within the story since it deviates from what is previously established.
    - t6jvcereio 4y ago
      > I remember reading they had long hair, Every single individual has long hair? What, not a single one of them cuts their hair? I call bs
      - proc0 4y ago
        I mean if I had glorious elven hair, I would probably not cut it. Also short is one thing, but in RoP the elf Arondir has a military buzz cut, which raises more questions.
      - Rebelgecko 4y ago
        Some of the elves look like they use an electric razor. I suppose maybe they have a magic obsidian or something, but it's kind of distracting.
- bjtitus 4y ago
  > They could have just made a new fantasy story with short hair elves, and I think that would have been judged on its own. And all of 10 people would have watched it. IP is for name recognition more than anything else. What percentage of people who watched the Peter Jackson trilogy actually read a book from the trilogy? I'd bet way less than 50%. Jackson didn't adhere 100% to the source material either. There are length lists, including many substantial non-narrative related changes, for[1] each[2] film[3]. [1]: https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Fellowship_of_the_Ring#Deviations_from_the_source_material https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_F... [2]: https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Two_Towers#Deviations_from_the_source_material https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_T... [3]: https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Return_of_the_King#Deviations_from_the_source_material https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_R...
  - proc0 4y ago
    > What percentage of people who watched the Peter Jackson trilogy actually read a book from the trilogy? The trilogy was great because of the writings of Tolkien. Peter Jackson did his best respecting that and telling Tolkien's story, not his own. I think that's why they were successful. What's the point of adapting a source material if you think it should be changed to begin with? Just don't adapt it... but of course they want the massive fanbase even though they're not acknowledging why it's big in the first place.
    - ShamelessC 4y ago
      Do you really think they won't get a massive fanbase just because of the outrage of a couple thousand anonymous strangers on the internet? As far as I can tell, outrage over controversial changes to the IP (e.g. Game of Thrones, The Last of Us 2, Star Wars 7-9) is _positively_ correlated with popularity.
      - proc0 4y ago
        I think it's not as big as it could have been. They might still be successful in terms of views (although that's yet to be seen), but I think that might be because a lot of people are giving it a chance. We'll see how it does towards the end of the season.
- Tagbert 4y ago
  Long hair was not really a defining characteristic of Tolkien elves. It seems like a pretty minor point to base a criticism on.
- mpeg 4y ago
  I find it ridiculous to refer to "source material" as if it was gospel. Amazon owns the rights for this tv show, and therefore anything they make is new source material. Just like how in the Marvel cinematic universe Spiderman's MJ is mixed race and not a redhead, Thanos in the comics doesn't care about halving the universe's population, he wants to kill as many as he can to court the embodiment of Death, or most of the Eternals are gender and race swapped from their comic versions. Elves are now closer to humans, and they can be black, but the old material with white, tall, long haired elves is still there for you to enjoy... is it really a big deal?
  - proc0 4y ago
    The source material is subject to criticism as well, but it should also be given credit. The reason we're even talking about it is because the books were really good and had a huge impact around the world. It's no coincidence that movies based on books tend to be great. Authors think through their world in detail which serves as a foundation for the screen adaptation. Deviating from this is risky, as directors have different skills, and more than likely they won't write a better world and dialogue than a renown author. This was very clear with Game of Thrones with George RR not being able to finish his saga, and this being so obvious after season 4 (or 5). The quality dropped dramatically and it all crashed and burned by the last season. Had they planned it more carefully, so that George was in charge of the story until the end, I think we would have seen the most successful fantasy show of the century.

Calvin02 4y ago

Yeah, same here. I didn’t go in with much expectations and found it interesting and well done. I’m eagerly waiting for episode 3.

proc0 4y ago

Elves are supposed to be a different species of humanoid, so making them more human-like by thinking they're supposed to be a certain way that humans are doesn't feel like the source material. It's important to adhere to that source because they are using the name for recognition. They could have just made a new fantasy story with short hair elves, and I think that would have been judged on its own.

rimunroe 4y ago
In the source material they look pretty much just like Men. The most consistent difference seems to be their height (they’re taller than Men) and the fact that their bodies don’t really age at the same rate. There’s never any mention of them having pointy ears, or any other obvious physical characteristic. I think there are several places across the Silmarillion and other books where it’s mentioned that some Men are mistaken for Elves. If I recall correctly, this happened with Túrin, who was given the name Adanedhel (“Man-Elf”), which he got because he was so alike to them. The Wizards are given the appearance of old men, but the Men think that they’re elves. Gandalf’s name comes from the Old Norse for “wand/staff elf”. In-universe, in the north he was known as “The Elf of the Wand”, because Men mistook him for an Elf. Also, I’m not sure that calling them a “different species” is accurate. They certainly can produce offspring with Men just fine.
- proc0 4y ago
  Then i guess don't give them pointy ears. I remember reading they had long hair, regardless they are called something different and have completely different lives. > They certainly can produce offspring with Men just fine. While true, in fantasy all kinds of mixes are possible that result in creatures like minotaurs, half-orcs, half-demons, half-dragons, etc., and those are obviously not human.
  - elcamino44 4y ago
    But because of a vague memory about something you read sometime (which looks like it was wrong), the presence of short-haired elves breaks your immersion and damages your enjoyment of the show?
    - proc0 4y ago
      Ok, well I'm just alluding that there's probably source material around certain differences. I wouldn't mind short-haired elves, but personally I'd want some justification that makes sense within the story since it deviates from what is previously established.
  - t6jvcereio 4y ago
    > I remember reading they had long hair, Every single individual has long hair? What, not a single one of them cuts their hair? I call bs
    - proc0 4y ago
      I mean if I had glorious elven hair, I would probably not cut it. Also short is one thing, but in RoP the elf Arondir has a military buzz cut, which raises more questions.
    - Rebelgecko 4y ago
      Some of the elves look like they use an electric razor. I suppose maybe they have a magic obsidian or something, but it's kind of distracting.
bjtitus 4y ago
> They could have just made a new fantasy story with short hair elves, and I think that would have been judged on its own. And all of 10 people would have watched it. IP is for name recognition more than anything else. What percentage of people who watched the Peter Jackson trilogy actually read a book from the trilogy? I'd bet way less than 50%. Jackson didn't adhere 100% to the source material either. There are length lists, including many substantial non-narrative related changes, for[1] each[2] film[3]. [1]: https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Fellowship_of_the_Ring#Deviations_from_the_source_material https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_F... [2]: https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Two_Towers#Deviations_from_the_source_material https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_T... [3]: https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Return_of_the_King#Deviations_from_the_source_material https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_R...
- proc0 4y ago
  > What percentage of people who watched the Peter Jackson trilogy actually read a book from the trilogy? The trilogy was great because of the writings of Tolkien. Peter Jackson did his best respecting that and telling Tolkien's story, not his own. I think that's why they were successful. What's the point of adapting a source material if you think it should be changed to begin with? Just don't adapt it... but of course they want the massive fanbase even though they're not acknowledging why it's big in the first place.
  - ShamelessC 4y ago
    Do you really think they won't get a massive fanbase just because of the outrage of a couple thousand anonymous strangers on the internet? As far as I can tell, outrage over controversial changes to the IP (e.g. Game of Thrones, The Last of Us 2, Star Wars 7-9) is _positively_ correlated with popularity.
    - proc0 4y ago
      I think it's not as big as it could have been. They might still be successful in terms of views (although that's yet to be seen), but I think that might be because a lot of people are giving it a chance. We'll see how it does towards the end of the season.
Tagbert 4y ago
Long hair was not really a defining characteristic of Tolkien elves. It seems like a pretty minor point to base a criticism on.
mpeg 4y ago
I find it ridiculous to refer to "source material" as if it was gospel. Amazon owns the rights for this tv show, and therefore anything they make is new source material. Just like how in the Marvel cinematic universe Spiderman's MJ is mixed race and not a redhead, Thanos in the comics doesn't care about halving the universe's population, he wants to kill as many as he can to court the embodiment of Death, or most of the Eternals are gender and race swapped from their comic versions. Elves are now closer to humans, and they can be black, but the old material with white, tall, long haired elves is still there for you to enjoy... is it really a big deal?
- proc0 4y ago
  The source material is subject to criticism as well, but it should also be given credit. The reason we're even talking about it is because the books were really good and had a huge impact around the world. It's no coincidence that movies based on books tend to be great. Authors think through their world in detail which serves as a foundation for the screen adaptation. Deviating from this is risky, as directors have different skills, and more than likely they won't write a better world and dialogue than a renown author. This was very clear with Game of Thrones with George RR not being able to finish his saga, and this being so obvious after season 4 (or 5). The quality dropped dramatically and it all crashed and burned by the last season. Had they planned it more carefully, so that George was in charge of the story until the end, I think we would have seen the most successful fantasy show of the century.